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    3.1 First update without a new primal?

    As far as i have seen this is going to be the first update without a primal fight? I mean comon this update is releasing in 2-3 weeks and we haven't seen any information about it yet.

    The only speculation is about a extreme trial Singularity Reactor. But nothing about a new one.

    I would be dissapointed if this would be the only trial/primal boss of the new update because i have a feeling the new update is a bit lacking in content already with 1 dungeon less.

    Again its all speculation and we will have to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beradon View Post
    As far as i have seen this is going to be the first update without a primal fight? I mean comon this update is releasing in 2-3 weeks and we haven't seen any information about it yet.

    The only speculation is about a extreme trial Singularity Reactor. But nothing about a new one.
    They said that the new primal would be teased during the anniversary event. Two phrases were dropped in the developer's room; Singularity Reactor Extreme and Doomtrain minion. While an extreme version of singularity reactor isn't really a "new primal" and wouldn't fit into the 3.1 main story quest, Doomtrain certainly would fit.

    Now, why they haven't advertised a Doomtrain fight, I have no idea. You think if they were planning it, they'd use it as a selling point of the patch. For that matter, they've never clarified if we would really be facing off against the Warring Triad during this expansion. The name was dropped, sure, but so was Omega Weapon back in 2.2.
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    So far I know about 2 dungeons, Airship Voyage (which seems to be the biggest content of 3.1), Lord of Verminion, Void Ark and a new relic.

    Doesn't seem lacking compared to old patches at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post
    So far I know about 2 dungeons, Airship Voyage (which seems to be the biggest content of 3.1), Lord of Verminion, Void Ark and a new relic.

    Doesn't seem lacking compared to old patches at all.
    Just off the top of my head:

    2.1:
    Gex
    Tex
    Ifrit ex
    Ultima Ex
    Moogle HM
    CT
    Wolves den
    Treasure hunts
    FC housing
    Pharos Sirius
    Hakkue Manor HM
    Copper Bell Mines HM
    aesthetician

    3.1:
    Doom Train (speculated)
    Singularity Reactor Ex
    Void ark
    pharos Sirius HM
    island exploration
    lord of verminion

    Seems like there is a lot lacking.
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    Last edited by zosia; 10-25-2015 at 02:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    Just off the top of my head:

    2.1:
    Gex
    Tex
    Ifrit ex
    Ultima Ex
    Moogle HM
    CT
    Wolves den
    Treasure hunts
    FC housing
    Pharos Sirius
    Hakkue Manor HM
    Copper Bell Mines HM
    aesthetician
    Amalj'aa and Sylph dailies

    3.1:
    Doom Train (speculated)
    Singularity Reactor Ex
    Void ark
    Saint Mocianne's Arboretum
    pharos Sirius HM
    island exploration
    lord of verminion
    new Relics
    Vanu Vanu Dailies
    a new series of side quests similar to the Mail Mog ones (Saint Endalim Scholasticate)
    possibly the training area? not sure if that was pushed back from 3.1 or not


    Seems like there is a lot lacking.
    Fixed that for you, with some things you forgot... Though I'm not too sure how you could consider something like Wolves' Den or the Aesthetician to be considered significant content... Or Housing, for how many people simply don't have access to that... May as well consider Housing reclamation significant in that case...

    Anyway, the update isn't next week, we've still got a few more previews to get through... Plus, as with most things, it's about quality, not quantity... I would value the Sky Exploration stuff over pretty much everything 2.1 offered, provided they don't royally screw it up... Heck, I'm already jokingly saying that Final Fantasy XIVs main selling point is Lord of Verminion... That just looks fun...

    Then there are all the adjustments to existing content... They mentioned adjustments to Chocobo Racing I believe, and like Wolves' Den I'd consider that to be dead on arrival, so hopefully 3.1 can actually raise it to a reasonable standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    Fixed that for you, with some things you forgot... Though I'm not too sure how you could consider something like Wolves' Den or the Aesthetician to be considered significant content... Or Housing, for how many people simply don't have access to that...
    wolves den was fun content when it was first released. Just because you did not like pvp then doesn't mean other people didn't. Same with housing. Wards were not full on day 1, if you wanted a house back then, you could buy one. The training area is just conjecture at this point and 3-4 quests of the moogle mail series caliber are hardly content. You can finish 3-4 of those quests, reading all the cut scenes, within an hour.

    It was off the top of my head, so of course I forgot stuff. Nice try at being snide tho. The Amalj'aa and Sylph were two beats tribes, we are only getting one in 3.1. Why didn't we get the gnath too?

    We had more content for less dev time in 2.1 than we have in 3.1. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    wolves den was fun content when it was first released. Just because you don't like pvp doesn't mean other people didn't.
    1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

    2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

    AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
    PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
    You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
    Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

    It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone a week later and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    It was off the top of my head, so of course I forgot stuff. Nice try at being snide tho. The Amalj'aa and Sylph were two beats tribes, we are only getting one in 3.1. Why didn't we get the gnath too?
    Well, I wasn't trying to be snide, but your attitude is certainly appreciated, I was merely pointing out content you'd missed off (for 2.1 as well) to clarify the list... As for Gnath Dailies... I'd say we're getting Vanu Vanu and Saint Endalim Scholasticate as a fair trade off...

    Like I said though, quantity =/= quality, something like Sky Exploration is arguably worth far more than stuff like Treasure Maps and the Aesthetician, and it's certainly something everyone can do, where as only 1% of the population ever had a chance of owning a House.
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    Last edited by Nalien; 10-25-2015 at 04:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    Just off the top of my head:

    2.1:
    Ultima Ex
    CT
    Wolves den
    Treasure hunts
    FC housing
    Pharos Sirius
    Hakkue Manor HM
    Copper Bell Mines HM
    aesthetician

    3.1:
    Doom Train (speculated)
    Singularity Reactor Ex
    Void ark
    pharos Sirius HM
    island exploration
    lord of verminion

    Seems like there is a lot lacking.
    Here's the thing though, consider assets that were already in the game, that had the whole production stages complete back in 1.0, I'll remove those from your quote.

    Now consider "new concepts" added to the game, in 2.1 they wanted to add a lot of things people were looking forward to in 2.0, so PVP, Housing, aesthetician were natural things to add to the game.

    Ultima HM-Thordan
    Moogle HM-Doomtrain
    Crystal Tower-Void ark
    Treasure hunts/aesthetician-lord of verminion
    FC housing
    Pharos Sirius-Dungeon 1
    Hakkue Manor HM-Dungeon 2
    Copper Bell Mines HM-Island Exploration


    Honestly speaking, can you say that 3.1's content isn't similar in what it offered compared to 2.1? Keep in mind, making something like "lord of verminion" is something built from the ground up, they have to use unique coding pretty similar to say creating FC housing so if anything that could moreso be tied into FC housing than Treasure hunts and aesthetician. At the same time consider the simplicity of making aesth and Treasure Hunting. Treasure Hunting is just find a map through gathering, use map and then fight target at map location, aesth is alter characters hair style and other aspects of customization.

    Lord of Verminion is take minions, gives them unique states abilities and create a fun engaging experience for 1v1 matches that will make players want to play it more. FC housing was making lots, setting up the schematics, making all the furniture etc etc, but there was no "balance" to be had just server stress.

    So quite honestly I"d say 3.1 has quite a bit to offer cause until Island exploration is fully revealed you can't assume how much content that will offer. While it cut 1 dungeon from being made in favor of this system the system in question could offer a more engaging experience compared to how dungeons currently are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    Seems like there is a lot lacking.
    You are entitled to nothing! Would you prefer nothing?
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