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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Scholar rant.

    Yes, this is a gripe post.

    My main is PLD. I have to Savage as SCH. I'm starting to hate Lily.

    "Macro the fairy!" they say. Macros break cast queues. If I cast in alignment with *my* GCD, not machine gun hammering of the keys, she doesn't cast *anything* every other GCD. This is particularly annoying when I'm trying to DPS, and considering how much I hate DPSing to begin with...

    I work jewelry. Wire work. My joints hurt. Hammering that damn key hurts. Contorting my hand to hammer control + key bindings hurts.

    Screw you, Lily.

    /ranr
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    Hmm. Not that the controls couldn't be improved, but as a practical workaround, I've found the Logitech Gaming Software (and I assume Razer and Corsair have equivalents) is very helpful in avoiding key spam issues. I use about 75ms autorepeat-- not sure what the exact cutoff is but 25ms is too fast.
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    I'm not sure exactly what is it you're having difficulties with, but if it's unresponsive pet abilties you could always try the following macro:

    /pac steady <pet>
    /pac Fey Wind <wait.1>
    /pac obey

    Basically if your pet is casting embrace, the above macro interrupts it ensuring you can get your pet ability executed asap. Then after 1 second you can remove the steady automatically to be used for your next action. I don't use macros as a SCH so there might be a better way to write that particular macro, but it works so it's a start. xD

    Also, the main issue here sounds like you being forced to play SCH. If you main PLD, you should be playing it for your static. I have a raid and I always promote playing your favourite job, it's very important.

    Edit: Or if you were just talking about her using embrace, it's on a 3 second CD as opposed to 2.5, hence why it can feel sluggish. I would say you can macro embrace to all of your DPS abilities (<tt>), but tbh when playing SCH I usually advise you use as few macros as possible the more you learn the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    /pac steady <pet>
    /pac Fey Wind <wait.1>
    /pac obey
    I wouldn't recommend this macro. It breaks and won't work the next time you need it if you use any macros in that 1 second space. A more robust macro would be:

    /pac Steady
    /pac Guard
    /pac Fey Wind

    In regards to the OP's question about Embrace, my method is to use three castings of Embrace separated by 1 second waits:

    /pac Embrace
    /wait
    /pac Embrace
    /wait
    /pac Embrace

    You can incorporate this into other macros, such as a combined Physick+Embrace macro.

    If you use multiple casts like this, it automates the button mashing for you, but you will have to get out of the habit of changing targets between the tank and boss. For example, if you put multiple casts on an attack macro with <tt>, throw an attack on the boss, then switch back to the tank, then those trailing <tt> commands will be telling Eos to heal the boss, which means to heal herself.

    What I would recommend doing is set up attack macros so you can camp on the tank as your target and use Embrace spam macros safely. Here is my typical attack macro:

    /ac Bio <t>
    /ac Bio <f>
    /ac Bio <tt>

    Putting <f> in there allows you to designate a target for DoTs + Bane without any issues.

    If any of this is helpful, I wrote a big guide on Faeries that contains all this info and more.
    How To Train Your Faerie
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ehensive-Guide
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    Last edited by giantslayer; 10-24-2015 at 10:03 AM.

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    So I'm looking at the thread and I'm not entirely sure whats wrong here.

    /micon "Fey Illumination" pet Eos
    /pac “Fey Illumination”
    /wait
    /pac “Fey Illumination”
    /wait
    /pac “Fey Illumination”

    Is not working. Nor is it for Fey Covenant. She does nothing.

    /micon "Whispering Dawn" pet Eos
    /ac Rouse
    /pac Steady
    /pac Guard
    /pac “Whispering Dawn”

    is also not entirely working. It'll cast Rouse, but she again, sits on her duff and does nothing while I get the "order has already been given" error.


    What I was asking if it would be better for you to switch to the "other healer Job" and I left it that way since I wasn't quite sure if you were running SCH/AST or SCH/WHM. Since I know you're running AST can try to go AST/WHM. Again, just because SCH is most optimal in theory doesn't mean it's most optimal for your group dynamic, so the change might be for the better.
    His other healer job is SCH, and he hates the fairy just as much as I do. That's why he's *not* SCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    His other healer job is SCH, and he hates the fairy just as much as I do. That's why he's *not* SCH.
    You're missing the point. Here, let me try to be a bit more direct.

    If you don't mind leveling it, go level WHM and try it as WHM/AST. As much as SCH is op in terms of healer territory, there's no reason to run it if neither of you enjoy it and your group dynamic doesn't benefit from SCH playstyle.

    I'm not telling you to make your other healer to switch to SCH or for you to continue to play SCH. I'm telling you to move away from SCH and try to pick "the other healer" that your group didn't have - in this case WHM since your healing partner is an AST.
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    Well, I can't help you solve the root of the problem, but I can at least help you with your macro endeavor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    /micon "Fey Illumination" pet Eos
    /pac “Fey Illumination”
    /wait
    /pac “Fey Illumination”
    /wait
    /pac “Fey Illumination”

    /micon "Whispering Dawn" pet Eos
    /ac Rouse
    /pac Steady
    /pac Guard
    /pac “Whispering Dawn”
    Are those macro's literally like that? If so, here are the problems:
    You need to assign a time for /wait
    Macro lines try and go out simultaniously, you could say there's a queue "malfunction" going on there

    The working version would be:

    /micon "Whispering Dawn" pet Eos
    /ac Rouse
    /pac Steady <wait.1>
    /pac “Whispering Dawn” <wait.3>
    /pac Guard

    I'm not sure what you're trying to do with the Fey Illumination version, though. I'm guessing you want to use it as soon as it up, there is one problem with this:
    You can only have one active macro timer at a time. The moment you press another macro, the previous macro timer will cease all functions.
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    (tanks are always in need)
    Not when they're Paladins. lol And yes, Savage. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be needing to do DPS, and I wouldn't be having issues in the first place.

    As for place/heel/whatever interrupt macros, I place her manually most of the time anyways so telling her to heel is going to muck that up.

    As for /wait, I tacked "1"(without quotes) after that command in the macro and it works as advertised.

    Still rather not use them entirely, but I trip up on target switching. Mouseover macros here annoy me so much. I've tried to use them, I've tried to like them. No dice.

    I heal in World of Warcraft *exclusively* with mouseover macros. They're functionally identical here, but the macro system has flaws in it that make it just annoy the crap out of me for some reason.
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    It *is* macroed to all abilities <tt>. Well, dps abilities. On heals its macroed to target.

    I pretty much only want her casting on my tank. Let's me deal with other things.

    And yes, kind of forced. They can't keep healers and the other one is AST. DRK/WAR tanks are solid. Seriously debating leveling WHM, but I'd still prefer not to heal and Esoteric tomes are a pain in the ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Seriously debating leveling WHM, but I'd still prefer not to heal
    As both a career (xD) healer and career WHM... my advice is to not do it. If you don't enjoy it you'll just come to resent it, as with SCH now.
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