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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    Ok, here's a thought, if you know the message is from RMT, why would you open it? I mean you don't do that with your email do you?
    Have you ever accidently sent RMT a /r message meant for someone else? Have you ever gone to click a character's name, or <pos> data, only to have RMT spam appear beneath your mouse? I know for certain, that at some point, I would probably open a spam weblink by accident, the way those messages pour across my chat feed.

    I don't get spam email nearly often enough to accidentally click a letter from a Nigerian prince when I meant to click on an email from a friend.

    Don't get me wrong, hyperlinks would be nice, and I've thought of the idea myself before. But the abuse of such a thing is so obvious and inevitable, there is no helping it. This is why we can't have nice things.
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    EVE does this, and even has a simple little in-game browser to display the page links you want to see. With the way RMTs have to cloak their advertisements in spaces and gobbledegook URL descriptions to avoid being auto-banned, it's not like their spam is going to contain a URL that could accidentally be clicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    Ok, here's a thought, if you know the message is from RMT, why would you open it? I mean you don't do that with your email do you?
    You underestimate the true numbers of incredibly stupid people.

    Why on Earth do you think operating systems hide certain files and controls these days?

    Not even wow has this. There are addons that do(and it just pops up a window with it highlighted and a button to copy to clipboard). You can't highlight and copy chat text there like you can here though.

    At least with addons you have to show enough of ability to install and use it.

    And yes, I imagine trolls getting jollies off malware links. The same "delete system32" and "alt+ f4 to X" jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecat View Post
    EVE does this, and even has a simple little in-game browser to display the page links you want to see. With the way RMTs have to cloak their advertisements in spaces and gobbledegook URL descriptions to avoid being auto-banned, it's not like their spam is going to contain a URL that could accidentally be clicked.
    There is no autoban chat filter.

    That's a holdover fom games with actual filters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunspec View Post
    Have you ever accidently sent RMT a /r message meant for someone else? Have you ever gone to click a character's name, or <pos> data, only to have RMT spam appear beneath your mouse? I know for certain, that at some point, I would probably open a spam weblink by accident, the way those messages pour across my chat feed.
    I don't get spam email nearly often enough to accidentally click a letter from a Nigerian prince when I meant to click on an email from a friend.

    Don't get me wrong, hyperlinks would be nice, and I've thought of the idea myself before. But the abuse of such a thing is so obvious and inevitable, there is no helping it. This is why we can't have nice things.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    You underestimate the true numbers of incredibly stupid people.

    Why on Earth do you think operating systems hide certain files and controls these days?

    Not even wow has this. There are addons that do(and it just pops up a window with it highlighted and a button to copy to clipboard). You can't highlight and copy chat text there like you can here though.

    At least with addons you have to show enough of ability to install and use it.

    And yes, I imagine trolls getting jollies off malware links. The same "delete system32" and "alt+ f4 to X" jerks.
    If there's a troll like that in your FC or linkshell, you've got bigger problems. And shouldn't you have an anti virus program to warn you about the web page you are about to open?

    Also to all of you so eager to shoot the idea down, first of all this can just be an option you can turn on or off in the message settings. It doesn't have to be always on. Second of all if links is such a fail idea, why would web browsers, application interface, office softwares still have them. Our computers should be filled with virus malware trojan that you shouldn't even be able to open this page right now. How come you haven't click on an AD by accident when you turn your internet on, and as a result wrecked your rig?

    Sounds just like a bunch of excuses to be lazy and careless. You have to read the damn message, then click or select the link. On console you have to physically go to the message box, which is a 2 steps process, even on PC you have to highlight the link, right click, then select open link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbreak View Post
    Can you do that on PS3/4 without keyboard/mouse?
    Even with a keyboard and mouse on ps4 the copy shortcut does not work.

    The ps4 simply doesn't have a shortcut in keyboard to copy or paste text.

    Or if it does, it doesn't work in game.

    Which is odd when you think about it because when on ps4 with a mouse you can select and highlight text, but can't do anything with it.
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    Solution: Limit this functionality to the LS and FC channels, not say or tell or yell or shout.
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    You can quit with the, "If you're not with me, you're against me." rhetoric, we don't hate the idea. It sounds neat and would be an interesting addition to the game... if it wasn't for the very real potential of worse abuses than anything else anyone could suggest, including parsers. The reason you don't see people posting malicious links in these forums isn't because of some unspoken rule, it's because those posts are quickly deleted by moderators with the posters getting bans of varying severity. In-game there aren't moderators watching every chat channel all the time, you have to send a message calling for them. That takes time and as anyone dealing with RMT knows, isn't permanent. The RMT have character after character working up to /tell rights so they can spam ad nauseaum. The moment something more lasting is done to keep web links from being abused is when they will be viable, sadly not a moment sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slappah View Post
    Even with a keyboard and mouse on ps4 the copy shortcut does not work.

    The ps4 simply doesn't have a shortcut in keyboard to copy or paste text.

    Or if it does, it doesn't work in game.

    Which is odd when you think about it because when on ps4 with a mouse you can select and highlight text, but can't do anything with it.
    Actually you can copy and paste links on the ps4 with a KB perfectly fine, you can even copy out of game urls and post them ingame with the virtual keyboard.


    What you cant do however, is paste urls copied from ingame to anything outside of your game with the KB, which is a bit strange, but ah well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan View Post
    Actually you can copy and paste links on the ps4 with a KB perfectly fine, you can even copy out of game urls and post them ingame with the virtual keyboard.


    What you cant do however, is paste urls copied from ingame to anything outside of your game with the KB, which is a bit strange, but ah well.
    Ah I see. I only ever tried copy and pasting in game, never had any other need to on the ps4
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