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    Osteichthyes's Avatar
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    Ashley Osteichthyes
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    Ravana
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    While I agree that some people need help in understanding how a role works, there is a downside to this method that I can instantly see. Development time. Creating anything in a game takes a lot of time and money, way more than you expect. If they were to spend time in developing this so that the minority of players are forced to understand how jobs work, that would be time taken away from a lot of other content (similar to the drought that we are experiencing now). I don't know about anyone else but I would rather see more meaningful content that all the people can enjoy because let's be honest, the vast majority of people you queue with are likely to be pretty solid, or at least not game breakingly bad. They might not be optimal under any circumstance but the job gets done eventually.

    If someone is having a hard time try and help them. If they don't listen then they probably won't pay much attention to the trial.

    What I believe SE should have done from the start is to more the job quests more of a tutorial then they are. Give the player access to the skills at the start of the quest and design the quest in a way that lets the player understand how the ability works in relation to their current level. It would be harder to develop, at least that way it would be one and done, no development time lost in creating something otherwise unnecessary.
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    Makasita Fenrir
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Stuff like this would work best in something like Rift's Chronicles system (allowing solo queue for guildhest-style content), but I don't know how overloaded SE's instance server is these days. That said, trying to reinforce mechanics by making the player do them to win doesn't work as well as setting a nebulous goal and telling the player to have fun. I think adding dummies that regen/lose HP at fixed rates to simulate DPS/HPS checks would be more effective at reinforcing the #gitgud habits you want people to learn.

    edit: Sadly, I don't know how to create a dummy that makes tanks learn to #gitgud, because there's a whole lot of moving parts to being a good tank...
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    Aimori Duciel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    I think having gear, Mounts gated behind this is a bad idea.
    Maybe food, a bit of gil, potions?
    Honestly if people really wanted to learn they would actually practice or ask people they know that are good at a specific class.
    I recently got Bard to 50 and I asked a friend who plays Bard in A3 to help see if I was doing the rotation right and what I could work on. Mind you I tell them to stop me if I mess up.
    However a lot of the player base just doesn't try, the player has to want to improve themselves.
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    Xizzy Azenith
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    Zalera
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    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
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    You're auto grouping forever bads with bads who don't know their bads. Plenty of people don't do research, and id argue a much larger percent of bad players would do the right thing if it was shown to them in a private environment. Since we now live in a world where feelings must always be positive. Theyll feel much more comfortable getting tips from the game via trial than someone criticizing them to do it the optimized way. I just fear some trials may not be optimal, and these players will copy what the game taught them then elitist will still be upset cuz there is a better rotation out and the one they use is outdated.
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