Thinking this game is a bad investment

[Greedalox]

But I'm sure players would rather play Neverreap a million times and their Zetas and Dreadwyrms stripped of their character than to lose their personal housing now.

I'm impressed that you've held onto angst for this long about not being able to use 2.0 gear in 3.0.

I thought people got over that nonsense when they thought about it. It's not XI, those Bounding Boots won't hold you off forever here.

[Chessala]

Anyone else see it? XD #walkingcontradiction

Not really. I don't always want to be alone, I do like to socialize too. Thing here is, I also like to not socialize. In dimensions I can do either, whenever I feel like it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Rift has 1 target group- PC players. This game has 3 (PS3, PS4, PC). It has to cater to the lowest common denominator (PS3). Will ending support change the housing setup? No. FFXIV doesn't use the same dev tools or engine. They'd have to take the game down while they rebuild the code just so people can have Rift's housing. Then you'd still have players whose PCs = or < PS3 specs. This isn't Rift. It isn't Aion, ArcheAge, WildStar, WoW, SWTOR, LOTRO, PSO2, Free Realms, or even FFXI. The devs know they erred; they're taking a first step towards alleviation while staying true to their vision. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither are virtual worlds.

Why do PC and PS4 players have to suffer because of PS3 support? They announced it would be dropped after 3.0. I do hope it will come sooner rather than later as PS3 is holding back the game.

As for housing, I am not saying the housing system of Rift should be copied. They have to find their own way but fact is, housing should be available to every player equally. With the current system and it's finite number of housing slots, this is not possible.
They need to find a way to offer housing for people, I don't care in what form. I find instanced housing a good solution as it will offer space for everyone and, if executed properly, be less of a strain for the servers (which seem to get strained by a fart anyway). You don't like it? Fine, I am not telling you to. All I am offering is an example of a well designed system. Something that FFXIV is lacking.

[kazeandi]

Clearly you all are so hellbent on repeating your own opinions, that you are incapable of acknowledging mine.

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The problem with "new players also may want houses" is, that currently no new player can get a house because the wards are full of former players. Current players can't get a plot, they couldn't even buy them, because the (potential) seller died long ago (left the game) and there's been no heir. Now there is one (the delete-automatic).

Personally I'd have found it better if they had their timer set at 6 months instead of 6 weeks, because what are you gonna do when you have an accident and are in hospital for 3 months? "Nooo, don't fix me, I gotta protect my online house!"

[IndigoHawk]

For everyone who's against this, you do realise that the alternative to the new system is what we have now, which basically prevent anyone from buying a house ever again unless someone voluntarily demolishes theirs? SE cannot simply add more servers and network beef to cope with this, or at least they won't for some time to come. Housing is likely one of the most resource-intensive parts of this game and yet a large part of it isn't used by active players. That is simply wrong, and they're trying to fix that.

With the old system, all the houses were bought up. With the new system about 2% of active players can have houses and all the houses will still be bought up. That is a very slight improvement. It's kind of weird to think 98% of the active players should support a fix that isn't going to help them.

[Aeliott]

Under the current system, we need the reclaim. I'm sorry, but there's some irony in the importance you're putting upon yourself as a subscriber having the right to keep a plot indefinitely when most wards are quiet wastelands. Really represents the thriving community we have doesn't it? :P
Sorry for the sarcasm, and yes we ignited another "you should be directing this to the devs not other players!" argument later on, which is...nice...but we've been doing it for 2 years now. It's never been a quiet subject.

However, the current areas are done and that's the way they are. We aren't 100% happy with housing, but that doesn't mean this extremely finite and resource-heavy system we're stuck with for now should go to waste on the whims of a fickle few who might come back. Most of us have been here since before it was introduced, being unhappy with it isn't foreign to us. I'd be curious to know how you'd feel if you played before it was introduced, couldn't raise funds before they sold out and knew plots would be left stagnating for 1.5 years (true story). I don't doubt you'd petition for a better system entirely, like most of us want, but I wonder how that subscriber's entitlement would feel, seeing ghost houses for that period of time.

I'm inclined to agree that more than 45 days would be a bit better perhaps though.

[Iagainsti]

Ok weighing in. Our FC had a small membership. Awaiting housing we saved up what we thought would be the plot costs; long story short, we could only afford a small house. We upgraded later to the medium size, and have been there for the better half of two years. Someone bought our old small plot, can't remember the last time we have seen them. We're great frienemies with our neighbours on the opposite side, besides that our neighbourhood is dead. One thing both us and our neighbours can agree on though, is we wish someone more active would move into our old house, so we can have more people to banter and horse around with.

[TessaJalloh]

This thread...

[Krylo]

Personally I'd have found it better if they had their timer set at 6 months instead of 6 weeks, because what are you gonna do when you have an accident and are in hospital for 3 months? "Nooo, don't fix me, I gotta protect my online house!"

I like the 45 days for NOW, but I do think it should be increased to 90 or more after the first couple rounds of demolishes, personally. I'm not super worried about harrying SE on increasing the limit at this time, however. Eventually I'll likely be chiming in on threads about doubling, or more, the time allotted, though.

[Malevicton]

With the old system, all the houses were bought up. With the new system about 2% of active players can have houses and all the houses will still be bought up. That is a very slight improvement. It's kind of weird to think 98% of the active players should support a fix that isn't going to help them.

The 1.8% number uses total subs, not active. It's closer to 20% of active players that'll be able to have a house after 3.1 goes into effect (assuming 500k active subs).

Of course that still doesn't account for FC houses, or one player owning multiple houses (and even if it did 20% isn't exactly ideal either).

[Lemuria]

And yet still, after reading this entire thread today, still I have yet to see anyone defeat my original argument that I clarified and repeated once again here:

And yet, despite all of these posts, you have yet to apparently actually read any of them which have already defeated your original argument.

New players aren't joining for the housing.

There, I said it. There's the facts, so deal with it.

You want to know why they're not joining for the housing? It's really simple. It's because there aren't any to go around. Want to know why there aren't any to go around? It's because dozens of them are owned by players who no longer play. Heck, there are four large plots in my FC neighborhood alone, all owned by long term absentees!

that has nothing to do with it sorry I can pay my sub for 6 months take 6 or 7 weeks to play other games like fall out 4 dragon age inquisition witcher 3 etc and come back. doesn't make a person any less of a paying subscriber doesn't mean I should lose a large mansion that takes some ppl years to make 40 mil on their own

Actually, it has everything to do with it. You aren't using the house, so why do you even need one?