Alexander and tempering

[Februs]

Leviathan is unclear. Seems the drowned pirates worship him, but I lack knowledge on whether they were tempered or just decided to worship him after a miraculous escape from death.

Leviathan's tempering seems more like a punishment than a method of creating slaves and securing prayers. Sastasha HM made it seem as though Levi tempered those pirates because they failed him, turning them into the tortured and grotesque "drowned men." Also, it's noteworthy that he only seems to temper men (as in mankind, not the gender). I don't think we've ever seen an example of a beast tribe member being tempered, so it seems like something he exclusively reserves for those who have failed him or he wants to punish.

[Kotemon]

Like others said, "hard to tell". I'm just going on the belief that Alexander isn't an actual being like the others or because its not finished it has no sense of self.

Theory-craft: If the summons like Bahamut, Shiva, Ramuh, King Moglemog etc are manifested on a perception or mental image. Then they will be manifested based on that image despite the real life being they were based on.. In theory you should be able to summon an object instead of a whole being. If the Illuminadi figured that out then they could have used existing material as a base/host and summoned whole components. They may not be able to summon the whole thing at once but over time they should be able to create the segments, use less crystals etc, and sustain it on their belief in a goblin utopia. Alexander may well be a summoning of sorts but as it currently is, its not complete or whole. Other than its effect on the Aether there's nothing more to it now other than a really big robot with a possible separate power supply.

[Cilia]

For the record, tempering is a conscious thing that primals apparently have to exert effort to do beyond those in the immediate vicinity of their summoning.

Ifrit is the only one shown to try and temper a large group of people. That's because it's kind of his MO - he wants conquest, not unlike the Garleans, and his personality "sphere" is domination.

Garuda tries to temper us as a last resort, but fails because of the Echo.

Leviathan tempers (drowns) the pirates from Sastasha for failing him (for the last time).

Bahamut tempered Nael van Darnus and Louisoix / Phoenix in order to break out of Dalamud and resurrect himself, repsectively.

Zantetsuken / Odin tempers the one who slays him if they're stupid enough to take his sword.

Aside from that, primals can and will use tempering as a means to one-shot mortal opposition (e.g. why the Company of Heroes had to use human wave tactics to down them). Still, they can't spam temperings, and some primals don't even want to temper their followers (e.g. Ramuh).

Why don't the goblins appear to be tempered? Well, who knows. I'm still confused as to why the Heavens' Ward were all able to use a Primal Mode apparently without the Echo and not get tempered, and Bismarck doesn't seem to try the move on Cid & co. during the fight against him, so... /shrug. Maybe they are tempered and we just don't know it...!

[Februs]

For the record, tempering is a conscious thing that primals apparently have to exert effort to do beyond those in the immediate vicinity of their summoning.

Wait, so we're assuming that vicinity to each Primals...er... "home base?" makes a difference to the process? I mean, it would make sense, since you're all that much closer to their source, so to speak, meaning the wellspring of aether that summoned them is that much more powerful, and it certainly would explain how the Company of heroes managed to survive their encounters (given that their tactics are said to involve luring the primal out from their natural habitat, instead of charging right in like we do), but if that's the case it's strange to think of similar conditions for Alexander.

For one, I'm curious to know if there is something special about that lake. It's stated that the goblins attempted and failed at summoning him in the exact same spot before. So is Alexander specifically tied to that spot in some way? Further, we and the goblins are literally within his body. In terms of proximity, you can't get any closer. So, you'd think that would make the risk of tempering all that much higher. Personally, I don't think he can temper anything at the moment. He doesn't seem to be truly "awake" yet (here's hoping for Alexander 2.0), but this might be an issue in future patches... Especially for Idyllshire.

[Belhi]

Leviathan and Ifrit temper captives. The Beasttribe quests deal with Amal'jaa raids to capture people for tempering quite often and the Sahagin one has you going and trying to save Maelstrom who have been captured and dragged off to be tempered as a daily (some are already tempered by then and you have to put them down).

Most drowned arnt mutated. The ones we meet were bathed in Aetheric energy to the point where it mutated them as punishment for their failure but they were already devout Leviathan worshipers to begin with. Its worth noting that there were groups of pirates that didn't need tempering. They already worshiped Leviathan. When they discovered the Sahagin could summon him they just signed up.

The other case, Ramuh, the sylph's asked to be tempered because they were afraid and basically wanted tempering to remove their fear. That's why so many Sylphs are tempered. Sadly the tempering twisted them, turning them cruel and vicious. They are like insane children now. I imagine Ramuh might have regretted tempering them in the long run.

[Frederick22]

My hopes is that this big robot is not the real alexander. We will fight alexander on the future, thats the most probable result.

Well or this robot is not the real one, or we will just fight like a shadow of his power, like bahamut or maybe alexander has not come to life and have a will of its own.

[Theodric]

A major character being Tempered and needing to be put down as a result would serve to make the Primals feel like more of a threat. At the moment they...don't really feel too dangerous in my opinion. Sure, they may kill/Temper a bunch of nameless NPC's but there's no real connection between our character and those nameless NPC's. Yet if someone like Cid were to be Tempered by Alexander...then that would make him feel like a major danger. What we saw in Coil made me feel like there was a lot at stake - so it'd be nice to feel the same way about Alexander.