Can we get an Official clarification on housing Demolish timer (45 or 90?)

[Sicno]

I'm actually going to just leave this thread though since the OP's previous post kind of infuriates me. Can't believe people think it's okay to twist people's words like that.

The only things that are twisted here are the words by the original posters themselves. Some horrible stuff has been said indeed.

[Raist]

A player who is paying their subscription and is actively playing has just as much entitlement as a player who can't play because of uncontrollable situations and the sooner people realise this, the better. Just because someone can't play because of something unfortunate does not give them any benefit over someone who actually is playing the game and wants a house.

Getting into the slippery slope arena here...

By this logic, anyone who has unsubbed or been inactive for 45 days can rightfully have their character deleted to reclaim resources for new character creation on a locked server.

Technically, we are not entitled to any virtual asset in this game. Read the terms of your agreement if you believe differently.

This is not a proper solution for the housing shortage. This is more like Eminent Domain run amuck because they can't/won't use the resources necessary to implement a better design to properly accommodate the demand for housing plots.

[WinterLuna]

The only things that are twisted here are the words by the original posters themselves. Some horrible stuff has been said indeed.

Except the whole thing about 'cancer patients shouldn't care about their house' was completely taken out of proportion by the OP. The point was that if a player is ill to a certain extent, there are ways to log in and save the house. If a player is beyond that, and in a state where they can't even ask anyone to log in for them, their house would be the least of their concern. This is coming from a person who is sick themselves and has been in similar situations.

This is not a proper solution for the housing shortage. This is more like Eminent Domain run amuck because they can't/won't use the resources necessary to implement a better design to properly accommodate the demand for housing plots.

I agree with you. It's a ridiculous way to 'fix' the housing shortage. But my entire point is that people shouldn't be bringing illness and other aspects into this just because they don't agree with the 45 day time frame. If people are going to bring those aspects into argument they will get argument back.

[Raist]

The problem came from trying to debate the issue in the scope of an entitlement. That implies an inherent right to the virtual asset....which does not exist for this service.

Once you start to argue using entitlement as an argument, there can be no winner when everyone feels they have an exclusive right. Doesn't matter if it is truly a right or just feels like it should be. You've devolved the debate purely into the emotional arena, and logic flies out the window.

Common sense should prevail....somewhere...but everyone's judgement becomes clouded by the emotional aspects and things just spiral out of control from that point.

[WinterLuna]

The problem came from trying to debate the issue in the scope of an entitlement. That implies an inherent right to the virtual asset....which does not exist for this service.

Once you start to argue using entitlement as an argument, there can be no winner when everyone feels they have an exclusive right. Doesn't matter if it is truly a right or just feels like it should be. You've devolved the debate purely into the emotional arena, and logic flies out the window.

I just don't feel players should be using it as argument to want the time frame extended. Apologies if I'm very defensive and argumentative over this, but if players simply want a longer time frame, they don't have to bring arguments like this into it when it's already being taken widely out of proportion.

Edit: @Kyros, I think the housing system needs to be redesigned altogether. I admit I've taken this a little too on the emotional side, but people needed realise that were not saying 'people that are sick deserve to have their houses demolished' but that it's not difficult to stop it from happening.

Either way, whatever people's opinions on the whole subject, people can't argue that the housing system isn't great right now. It's not going to solve anything in the long term and it does need a proper fix.

Again, apologies if anyone has misread anything I've said, however my intention was not to claim people deserve their houses demolished if they are unable to log in, but the fact it can easily be stopped unless players are completely unable to play in the first place.

[T2teddy]

Kind of thinking all the FCs who are qualified to own a lot but cannot will be very hopeful that they can finally get a place. But they damned well better be standing on the placard of their prospective purchase the moment we can log back in after 3.1 patch, otherwise all the 'personal house' hopefuls will once again steal all the lots.

On Sargatanas alone there are well over 200 qualified homeless FCs and well over 60% of the current 1440 are owned by PERSONAL owners. SE should never have opened the wards to personal housing because so many FCs are losing out on all the benefits involved in ownership.

[Kyros]

A player who is paying their subscription and is actively playing has just as much entitlement as a player who can't play because of uncontrollable situations and the sooner people realise this, the better. Just because someone can't play because of something unfortunate does not give them any benefit over someone who actually is playing the game and wants a house.

Per your reasoning then players who play have no more entitlement than players that are still subscribed but are not currently playing.

It's kind of a ridiculous argument to minimize the importance of outside factors while greatly exaggerating the importance of in-game ones.

I just don't feel players should be using it as argument to want the time frame extended. Apologies if I'm very defensive and argumentative over this, but if players simply want a longer time frame, they don't have to bring arguments like this into it when it's already being taken widely out of proportion.

I didn't even bring cancer patients here to begin with, but the people saying stuff like "Oh if you have cancer treatment then its ok to lose your house" need a reality check, and probably take a serious Psycopathy test (Because it takes some serious lack of empathy to say that).

Besides, I didn't say any of those. I simply don't like having THE biggest investment on a timer, simply because SE can't be arsed to do their job properly. Nothing in this game works like that, and it's quite frankly a ridiculous timer. It feels like this:



If we're going to go about "Limted Resources", why not Server space like someone mentioned? Have your character removed from a congested server to make space. Heck, for a more real example: Names. Most companies will swipe off unused names after a certain amount of time, but this time usually goes for >years<. Tera used a year, and League goes from 6 months to 2 and a Half years depending on how much you played.

This is why this time frame is ridiculous. Losing your house and getting about 30% worth of items back in 2 months (Or none, if you take 3), when compared to things like losing your name (Which is basically a free deal) really put things into perspective.

[sirDarts]

Dear god you are a terrible human being. Your personal greed knows no bounds if you think like this. Oh and darling, a FC house != a personal house.

MY greed?! What the hell? How is it MY greed?! I don't want a personal house, never did, never will.
You guys are the ones who are greedy and want to just ditch the game while taking up resources others could utilize better.

*snip*

And you wouldn't be able to log in for 2 minutes from a friend, or from an Internet cafe? Don't make me laugh.

And even if they did give more wiggle room, you guys would STILL complain, the only reason 90 is being suggested is because 45 was give, if 90 was give, you would be crying you want 180, I know your kind very well.

[Cheraa]

I'm putting this into the perspective of what if they took something very valuable to you for which you worked very very hard if for some reason you don't/can't resub every single month and need a break. How would you feel having something like your zeta taken away like that?

Actually, you can perform your break if you want so. You can take of for 1.5 months. If you want to be away any longer, well than thats your problem.
SE is on the right way here.

[Sicno]

Actually, you can perform your break if you want so. You can take of for 1.5 months. If you want to be away any longer, well than thats your problem.
SE is on the right way here.

*Throws a tomato at Cheraa*