Pre-allag history.

[Nalien]

The Moogles seem to have a genetic memory of the 2nd Calamity how ever because they mention their original home being destroyed by "Fire Falling from the sky" which could be inferred to be the calamity of fire. So Moogles them selves may date back to the 1st Astral Era.

I'm not so sure that's the case, actually... Moghome being tied closely to Zenith and thus perhaps the pre-Ishgard/Dravanian civilization makes me think that the calamity the Moogles remember was in fact Nidhogg effectively destroying the floating continent in his rage... The Churning Mists certainly shows signs of being scorched, and I doubt that is from the Second Umbral Era given the time difference between then and all the structures being built there, the dragons of Anyx Trine also mention the landscape still showing scars of Nidhoggs rage, so Nidhogg clearly went a bit nuts to cause that much damage, and I can absolutely see that being the "Fire from the skies" the Moogles remember.

So I'm thinking Moogles don't date back particularly far at all... They remember Nidhogg going absolutely ballistic and destroying the floating continent (seeing as parts of Moghome appears to have found its way to the Sea of Clouds on the other side of Coerthas...) and turning the Dravanian Forelands into a smoldering wasteland. They could still date back to the First Astral Era of course, but their historical memory would seem to date back no further than the current nations.

Does someone have the Moggle Mog lore? I seem to remember it saying that the Moogles used to serve the Twelve... Now, that might be a tick in the box for "This is the First Era" that they're talking about... But... Moogles used to server the Sky and Land Lords, that is out right stated in Moghome... The Sky Lords being the Dragons, with the Land Lords being their (then) mortal allies... I'd say the Moogles didn't serve the Twelve, they served King Thordan and his Knights Twelve.

That would also fit quite nicely; The Moghome Moogles focused mainly on serving the Sky Lords, namely Hraesvelgr, and still do to this day. Moggle Mogs Moogles, on the other hand? Perhaps they mainly worked with the Land Lords, hence Good King Moggle Mog. Moogles being Moogles though, they didn't quite get it, they just knew that they served the Twelve (Knights), so when they came to the Shroud, that easily got mixed up with the Twelve (Gods).

[Razem5791]

I've been thinking about the allagans since yesterday and something came up in my mind : Can we possibly imagine that the allagans were the actual ascians as we know now ? Look at the ascians : They have such a vast knowledge of the aether, they have such high intellect compared to any race in the world and clearly the allagans were way advanced in their time ! Is it possible that a handful of Allagans evolved to the ascians and so reaching another plan of existence ? I may be wrong, but I believe that it was an ascian who told Gaius where to find the Ultima Weapon. And the ultima weapon was built by the allagans ! Such a coincidence !

[Nalien]

I've been thinking about the allagans since yesterday and something came up in my mind : Can we possibly imagine that the allagans were the actual ascians as we know now ? Look at the ascians : They have such a vast knowledge of the aether, they have such high intellect compared to any race in the world and clearly the allagans were way advanced in their time ! Is it possible that a handful of Allagans evolved to the ascians and so reaching another plan of existence ? I may be wrong, but I believe that it was an ascian who told Gaius where to find the Ultima Weapon. And the ultima weapon was built by the allagans ! Such a coincidence !

Heavensward Spoilers;

The only problem with that is that Tiamat basically confirms that the Ascians were active during the Allagans era. It was the Ascians that compelled Tiamat to summon Bahamut in retaliation to the Allag, and it was the Ascians that gave the Allag the means to imprison Bahamut.

That said, Elidibus and Lahabrea were both described as "of this world", so it is certainly possible that either of them, or indeed perhaps lesser unnamed Ascians are "of this world" and perhaps were kicking around during various eras, including the Allags, and they "ascended" to Ascianhood at some point.

[Razem5791]

So the theory might be right ? The ascians we are fighting now might be a handful of allags back then who wanted to make their people reach the ascianhood but they refused. So in retaliation, they pushed the events so Bahamut destroy the allag ! What I dont understand is why trying to stop or even destroy Hyadelyn ? how can they benefit out of it ?

[Frederick22]

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And how you know this exacly? The moogles very well know the dragons that are on the area, they would say that Nidhogg was responsable of all. Who said that Nidhogg destroyed the continent? I dont understand what you are ring to say
Yes, the devastation of the ruins on the churing mists is a clear sing that the dragons destroyed those structures with rage,

Kaiser was not saing anything related to the dragonsong war. I well agree with his that the moogles were refering to the 2nd umbral calamity ( if that is the calamity of fire of coruse )

[Rhodkr]

And how you know this exacly? The moogles very well know the dragons that are on the area, they would say that Nidhogg was responsable of all. Who said that Nidhogg destroyed the continent? I dont understand what you are ring to say
Yes, the devastation of the ruins on the churing mists is a clear sing that the dragons destroyed those structures with rage,

Kaiser was not saing anything related to the dragonsong war. I well agree with his that the moogles were refering to the 2nd umbral calamity ( if that is the calamity of fire of coruse )

Would they though? Remember, chances are many generations of moogles probably passed on since then. In 1000 years of oral history, Truth passes into legend, fact into myth. What was once a story of Nidhogs fury could have easily evolved into a story of raining fire.

[Nalien]

Would they though? Remember, chances are many generations of moogles probably passed on since then. In 1000 years of oral history, Truth passes into legend, fact into myth. What was once a story of Nidhogs fury could have easily evolved into a story of raining fire.

The quests in Moghome certainly didn't paint them as Sharlayan when it comes to recording their history, that's for sure. Would they even have been aware that it was Nidhogg causing all the destruction? Not unless Hraesvelgr told them, I think. They didn't even seem particularly aware of why the Land Lords left, or the current situation between Ishgard and Nidhogg... Again, they're no Sharlayan... They're about as smart as Hildibrand if we're being honest...

The legend they seemed to pass down was fairly simple for what I remember; Fire rained down from the sky, so the Twelveswood Moogles left for the ground to find a new home. What would absolutely debunk this theory is the Twelveswood Moogles history; My theory dates them as pretty much 1,000 years old. Calamity of Fire causing their exodus dates them as very very old, as in, they would have been around during the Allags reign, whoever came after, and remembered the Amdapori and their little flood... Do they?

[Enkidoh]

You're forgetting that Lahabrea actually stated why the Ascians want to destroy Hydaelyn - to bring about the rebirth of Zodiark, that by doing so will 'address the aetheric imbalance in the planet'. Of course exactly what this specifically refers to is a big blank at the moment. But given the fact Hydaelyn is the source of life on the planet, to have her destroyed in favour of the Ascians' ambiguous dark god... well... it's pretty clear that it would not be particularly pleasant for all concerned.

[Razem5791]

Based on what you say, it can come to the fact that if Hydaelyn destruction will make the rebirth of Zodiark, than clearly Zodiark is also a giant crystal like Hydaelyn. Meaning, that last vision we had from Hydaelyn after we vanquised Gaius and join everyone to safety : that dark purple crystal ; it has to be Zodiark !

[Fenral]

But given the fact Hydaelyn is the source of life on the planet, to have her destroyed in favour of the Ascians' ambiguous dark god... well...

Fact? Is it a fact? Have we actually gotten a chance to sit down and watch Hydaelyn create new life, or is She merely a symbol worshipped as the creator of such. You know, like one of those... We have seen benevolent primals before, but just having a ton of belief isn't enough to make something true.