unsynced/overgeared raids ruining the experience for new players, like 2nd/final coil

[Shiroe]

unynced/overgeared raids are ruining the experience (for new players), especially on such raids as the 2nd + final coils of Bahamut and extreme primals..

even going in them synced with a level 60 character (+ echoes), makes them quit a lot easier than they were originally back then (even with echoes), but unsynced is imo really too much for first kills

sure, some will argue "but they can still chose synced if they want too, let them chose", but almost no new player will chose it anymore, if they have the chance, theyll just run thru it synced or not do them at all (they should imo even be part of the main story or at least Alex Savage only reachable, once those are completed too)

those are still the best raids and good practice,..part of the beauty of FFXIV, was building up your character while earning each it with good raids (and the euphoria of bringing down some of those hard bosses)

[SendohJin]

devs aren't going to care, they think everyone should be playing the new stuff.

[Ashkendor]

Welcome to vertical-progression MMO's. Content has a finite shelf life - it always gets easier as time passes, and these have been around for awhile. In short, the Coils are outdated content. If someone wants to experience it the way it was done during progression, they're free to make their own "way back machine" parties to level sync it down. If, as you say, most newer players don't really have much interest in that method, that would indicate to me that they don't really care about the "back in my day" experience. The ones that do care have the tools to go and experience it the way that it was when we had to walk uphill both ways in the snow to do the sac pull in T1, so I really don't see how outdated content being outdated ruins the experience for anyone. o.o

My static has run a few people through all of the Coils to experience the story. Those of us that are veterans had a ton of fun going back and playing HULK SMASH with bosses that we beat our heads against for weeks in progression. Those of us that are new had a ton of fun getting a minimal explanation, learning mechanics on the fly, and getting to watch the awesome lore cutscenes. :3

I don't really care too much about the unsync on normal coil. New players are gonna have a hard time finding people to clear them with as it is - from what I've seen the baddest of the bad are going back to them now. Any serious raider cleared when it was current and got most of the stuff they wanted (for glam or otherwise).

I don't really agree with this. There's plenty of people that are new to FFXIV but not to raiding in general.

[Moomba33]

I had a lot of fun going through the old Extreme primals unsynced with my FC members.
It was nice to have the option since our FC has less than 8 players and this let us get through the content without having to recruit people were weren't familiar with.
At the end of the day not everyone plays this game to be challenged.

I also don't think it's a good idea to require completing old raids to unlock the current ones. Imagine a new player 2 expansions from now trying to find groups to learn t9 and Savage Alexander with just so they could reach the current tier. The game would need to change significantly to make running old difficult content with new players desirable.

[echoica]

I don't really care too much about the unsync on normal coil. New players are gonna have a hard time finding people to clear them with as it is - from what I've seen the baddest of the bad are going back to them now. Any serious raider cleared when it was current and got most of the stuff they wanted (for glam or otherwise).

Coil 2 savage I don't think should have unsync, however. That content was for a niche group of people and while the mechanic heavy t9 svg is still challenging to clear I feel the unsync has taken away from the purpose of its release.

[Kuwagami]

Coil 2 savage I don't think should have unsync, however. That content was for a niche group of people and while the mechanic heavy t9 svg is still challenging to clear I feel the unsync has taken away from the purpose of its release.

unsynch only eased T6, and T8 in a lesser extent (less stuff to learn to deal with as you do more dps). T7 and T9 are still a mechanical nightmare. And that comes from someone who just went in to try them, and got wrecked hard because my group was full of "post-nerf" raiders. We needed 1 hour just to pass the first devour in T6 (though that was an instant kill once we reached slugs, because I could solo the slugs. Shrug). T8 needed an hour to have an "easy to carry" ballistic configuration (new people locked while veterans handle the mecanic).

though we then hit a wall. T9 would have been possible but too hard to learn new stuff while carrying 3 people who didn't know a thing and got carried through their 1st and only T9. Golems not dying, meteors handled randomly.. we saw heavensfall only once in 2 timers.

T7 though, totally impossible. Noone to kite golems, voices all over the place... You could easily tell who had never ever seen the real T7 in its prime.


As echo was, Unsynch is just a way to utterly overgear a fight. If you fail the mechanics, you still die. Even though most of them can be ignored now (my DRG survived wild charge in T10 in OT's place, in i180)

By that logic, we should have never made relics easier to get for it "ruins the experience"

early 2.1 atma, such a great experience...

16 hours straight in horizon for that last piece of sh*t. Hurray.

[KarstenS]

Any serious raider cleared when it was current and got most of the stuff they wanted (for glam or otherwise).

Except for the new jobs.

I'm still looking for AST and DRK weapon on my twink, where I play these jobs.

[Lexia]

MMOs do tend to operate like that, not there from start or start a break from the game then you going to get left behind. Content does get outdated quickly but it more and more common as the game gets older.

[LaylaTsarra]

I have seen new players in my FC that appear to want to do a lot of the content unsynced. Personally I think they spoil their experience that way.

[dank1]

I have seen new players in my FC that appear to want to do a lot of the content unsynced. Personally I think they spoil their experience that way.

You cant speak for them tho, thank god for unsynced since my brother's only been playing a month. I've carried him thru content just for the sake of clearing it that we wouldve never touched anyway or might still be stuck doing, delaying him from getting to relevant content.

The reality is that even with unsync people are barely even doing the content and would be doing even less had there been no unsynced.
The devs know this reality and rather than leaving this old content undoable (lets face it most of the community hasnt even been passed t5) they decided to let us ez mode it to keep it somewhat relevant for those who wanted to go back and couldnt clear it before