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    dank1's Avatar
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    Dank Evol
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    Siren
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    Dark Knight Lv 60

    The issue nobody wants to address

    Let's face it, there is an issue with this game's community somehow subconsciously or even conciously being against faster dungeon runs, playing your class more efficiently, or even just playing well period.

    The surplus of bad dps threads is amazing what's even more amazing is the overwhelming community response flaming the person who is out to give pointers to increase dps, then you have the guy complaining about being kicked or called out on for being bad/doing low dps and the community bending over backwards to support the guy with comments like "it's ok block him", "dont heal him on purpose", or "come to my server ill play with you and we can both run a 15 min long dungeon in an hour and a half together :3"

    I just don't understand why is the lack of doing any effort so encouraged by the general forum community?
    Is it because most FFs are single player games you play at your own pace getting by, being subpar and think it's ok to do so here while you're playing with others not even considering their time?

    I personally don't mind considering I can form my own groups but I question the mentality of the players who oppose any sort of tool (parsers) or even the usage of str accessories on a tank simply because of unknown reasons? Why be against a faster run explain to me please.

    I think the fact that this mentality is so rampant is an issue and further incentives should be given to encourage the community to put in more effort into how they play
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    you mean the issue that gets addressed at least once a week with a new topic right?
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    Gralna's Avatar
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    Gralya Arodica
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I personally don't care either way at what speed DF parties want to run, although I am always a bit leery when I see a tank run off to start a speed run, before healer can even buff us.

    A big part of the negativity to speed runs imo, is the random factor of DF. You get bad dps? can't speed run because healer will run out of mp or tank will run out of def CD's and you'll wipe. You get a bad healer? Wipe. The worst imo though, is bad stubborn tanks, the ones that run off as soon as they can, never look at party composition, don't use any cooldown's, then rage at everyone else for being "bad", and they'll keep trying to force a speed run, blaming everyone else for each wipe.

    Most people I run into, have no problem when it comes to wanting to improve, the only people I meet that make game frustrating, are players that are convinced they are already the best.
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    Malevicton's Avatar
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    Zappa Dattic
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    you mean the issue that gets addressed at least once a week with a new topic right?
    seriously... there are 2 topics about this on the front page as I'm writing this (well I guess 3 including this one).
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    Player Eekiki's Avatar
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    Kickle Cubicle
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 90
    Funny, because when I tank in DF I'm always worried I'm going too slow. I like doing full clears but I always figure people will complain if I don't do big pulls.
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    you mean the issue that gets addressed at least once a week with a new topic right?
    This. So much this.

    These threads are getting old and tiresome. There's not even a new point to debate here. The herd of dead horses have been beaten into subatomic particles.
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  7. #7
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    OPneedNerfs's Avatar
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    Zyxt Fair
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    Tonberry
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Which is why people form FCs, find friends and create linkshells for like minded people to play together instead of using the DF and facing said people who don't approve of one another's playstyles?

    I mean if either side is okay with playing with the same people as their kind, then I don't really see an issue. E.g: Someone who likes speedruns is okay with running with others who like speedruns vs Someone who likes doing 1 hour long dungeons is okay with running with others who like doing 1 hour long dungeons.

    The issue with DF is that it's going to be a mixed bag and at this point, I'm sure most only use it as a tool to find like-minded players in the same server to run content with. Then there's also the PF where you can recruit people, run a few times of an instance with, then proceed to friend or invite to linkshell so that you can run with them again, reducing chances of requiring to find someone through the DF to run stuff with.
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    Priya Eridian
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    Leviathan
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    Machinist Lv 90
    This is why I'm a fan of WoWs model of stupid easy low man content and leaving the challenge to raids. I'd like to join the hordes of people in DF who "play how they want" in 4 man dungeons instead of being stuck carrying them. I want a mental break.
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    Last edited by Priya; 09-30-2015 at 04:02 AM.

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    Iromi's Avatar
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    Tilla Eversong
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    Siren
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    Marauder Lv 50
    I wouldn't say this is all the community's fault...the devs are at fault too. Remember the whole Steps of Faith thing? They need to put more middle ground content in stuff and make people learn their stuff or just don't progress.

    Then again I am kind of confused what OP is saying...
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    Winry Foxtail
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    As a healer, I prefer the party do runs at a speed which allows me to do some actual healing. If the party is doing nothing but small pulls and I can face-roll the keyboard in Cleric Stance, then I am bored. If it is a new or under-geared tank doing small pulls and I actually need to switch out of Cleric, great!
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