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    Final Fantasy XIV going back to Final Fantasy Roots

    OK I want to start off by saying that I am not 100% bashing Final Fantasy XIV. It has a lot good about it. However I feel like it is going away from what makes Final Fantasy, Final fantasy. I fell like Square Enix is just worried about numbers and getting as many people to sign up for Final Fantasy as possible. The problem is yeah you might have 5 million people sign up for it but how many are actually playing 1 million? If that. Things that drastically need changed are things like the FATE system. I love being able to take a party and with my party only fight a strong monster in the field and let onlookers watch not have the whole server fighting one monster. There is no challenge in that or sense of accomplishment. Another thing is some FATES people don't do anymore and if you can not find 20+ people that level to do the FATE then guess what you will never be able to do it.
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    I can not stand the Tank swapping mechanic drives me nuts to the point I don't want to tank anymore. The biggest problem I see with Final Fantasy XIV is that it has taken so many ideas from other mmo's which I am sure some people will say all mmo's take from other mmo's. That is all fine and well however Final Fantasy XIV takes the cake there are way too many to list on this forum I would have to create a separate one just for that. The only thing taken from XI is some mob designs and names. My biggest complaint and everyone has to agree with me here when I say that Final Fantasy XXIV is drifting away from Final Fantasy is when I fight Ifrit and I use Fire on him that hurts him.... That should heal him same thing with Ramuh and Shiva... however I do understand the way BLM's is set up to work and they would have to drastically change BLM to make it right. I would be ok with that.
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    Really all I want to do is see how many people I can get to like this to make Square understand that the actual Final Fantasy fans want it to feel like we are playing Final Fantasy. People can and I am sure will comment on this saying how wrong I am and you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. Just make a legit response if you do is all I ask. So If you agree with me and would like to see a change back to what makes Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy please like this or thumbs up or what ever this forum has for approval and get your friends to do the same. Again I am not bashing FFXIV I just love the series to much to see it ruined.
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    I am sorry for making it into sections It's just I couldn't put more that 1000's characters in it and I need more to get my point across.
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    inB4 the trolls, its been mentioned for a year now that SE is on its last leg for JRPG's because their player base in Japan is more into mobile platform games like Candy Crush.

    But, that being said. I approve.
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    Firstly, you can get around the 1000 character per post limit by going back and editing your post. (like I just did)

    Secondly, it seems you just want FFXIV to just be FFXI-2, which it will never be. You say you want FFXIV to 'go back to FF roots', but it's clear you actually mean "this should be like FFXI". I hate to say it, but the style of game you want is no longer a viable entity - for instance, wanting hard NMs on the world map that "only your party can claim and force others to watch you fight," I'm sorry but this comes across as incredibly self-centered and elitist.

    Considering FFXI was inundated with rampant claim bots automatically claiming NMs as soon as they spawned and thus legitimate parties could never get a look in, well, it's not hard to see why such as system was abandoned on the kerb in favour of what is now regarded as standard MMO practice (that is, open claiming on enemies when anyone can freely participate and get credit for the enemy's kill).

    Given the fact even FFXI has mostly abandoned party-centric ideas in favour of solo-based gameplay (including concepts brought wholesale from FFXIV), it's not hard to see that this is actually how things are now. Face it, it's not 2001 anymore. The WoW-style of MMO gameplay is here to stay (and it should go without saying that FFXI similarly copied Everquest's style of gameplay and played nothing like a 'traditional FF game either). If you don't like that style of game, then I'm afraid FFXIV will never be enjoyable for you.
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    Thanks for the heads up on getting around 1000 characters. I never claimed that I want a FFXI-2. 1.0 was very different from FFXI but it still had the FF feel to it. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to have party only mobs you can call it self-centered elitist all you want. You just go to prove my point that gamers today want every thing handed to them and do not want to work for anything. Your comment about FFXI have similarities with everquest is all fine and well, however FFXIV has its entire game based off of other MMO's nothing is original. You point about FFXI not having a FF feel however, is invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus_Owen View Post
    You point about FFXI not having a FF feel however, is invalid.
    Sorry, I am going to agree with Enkidoh, but FFXI did not have a FF feel to it. The Overarching story wasn't very accessible.

    The other thing is you are asking for a game that is currently unprofitable.
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    I will come out and say I agree with you that it doesn't feel "Final Fantasy", but in the grand scheme of things, does it really need to? It brings its own feeling, and has Final Fantasy themes mixed in everywhere, from the jobs, to names of characters and bosses, and abilities and so on. The questions I pose to you is, what were you expecting? What did you want from the game? I frankly see it as a great addition to what Final Fantasy is.

    On a side note, I played FF11 for quite some time (since CoP was released). While I look back the game as a whole, I have a lot of fond memories, but I will tell you right now, I do not miss it, and I do not miss any of those design choices. I am glad that stuff is gone. I used to have the time to sit and party on mobs to level and endgame camp and so on, but I'm older now, I work, I have a family, I don't have the time for that sort of play style anymore, and SE acknowledges that with the choices they have given us in 14. I don't want everything handed to me, I just frankly don't have to the time to enjoy that kind of a game. Let it be what it is.
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    I knew I was going to get comments like the ones you all are posting none of your arguments have any merit..... Just because you are a casual player doesn't mean the ones of us who are not shouldn't have a challenge and yall should be able to get almost the same gear we get? If you want an easy game play console games. I strongly believe this game will not last nearly as long as FFXI has lasted.... Just look at the current character base and tell me people are not leaving. I took a break for about 6 months I come back all the people I raided with no longer log on. I dont see any familiar names. I am not the only one who feels this way. Unfortunately the people who agree with me already don't play. You all are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. You have to agree with me that Fire should not heal Ifrit....
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