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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    What I want to know is why dungeons give 2 pieces of loot, Alex and Coil give two pieces per chest.... but seriously? I only ran the entire CT thing once.. was it really only one item per alliance? The hell is up with that? 2 per 8 people makes more sense.
    After every boss 3 chests appear and every group have their own chest.
    If you are in goup B then you can only get gear from the chest B. You will not know what is in chest A or chest C until you ask the other groups.
    The only chest that is shared with the whole alliance is the 4th chest that can appear with a chance at the end of the endboss with a minion in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iromi View Post
    Please tell me they did not do 2 massive delays to change nothing...AGAIN.
    Normaly people don't work during vacation ^^


    For me, i hope there will be again something like the mechanics of Atomos in CT1 or Cerberus in WoD (where the groups have to fight separate)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    After every boss 3 chests appear and every group have their own chest.
    If you are in goup B then you can only get gear from the chest B. You will not know what is in chest A or chest C until you ask the other groups.
    The only chest that is shared with the whole alliance is the 4th chest that can appear with a chance at the end of the endboss with a minion in it.


    Normaly people don't work during vacation ^^


    For me, i hope there will be again something like the mechanics of Atomos in CT1 or Cerberus in WoD (where the groups have to fight separate)
    That's not my point.

    My point is that 8 player raids drop 2 items for the 8 players present.

    24 player raids dropping 3 items for the 24 players present is a crap ratio. That's 1 item per full party vs 2. B. S.

    Edit: can we please start sticking the BLM/SMN gear on the lala for once?

    Really hard to see what the healer sets are going to look like when you stick it on a 3 foot potato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    That's not my point.

    My point is that 8 player raids drop 2 items for the 8 players present.

    24 player raids dropping 3 items for the 24 players present is a crap ratio. That's 1 item per full party vs 2. B. S.

    Edit: can we please start sticking the BLM/SMN gear on the lala for once?

    Really hard to see what the healer sets are going to look like when you stick it on a 3 foot potato.
    Coil and Alex (Savage) are a lot harder than the (faceroll easy) 24-mans. Theres also a weekly chest lockout, and you cant go back to try to get a piece you can use, let alone a specific piece

    EDIT: And dont forget, you arent guaranteed a piece of loot from the 8-man raid. 2 chests per fight, but thats between 8 people for the entire week
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Coil and Alex (Savage) are a lot harder than the (faceroll easy) 24-mans. Theres also a weekly chest lockout, and you cant go back to try to get a piece you can use, let alone a specific piece

    EDIT: And dont forget, you arent guaranteed a piece of loot from the 8-man raid. 2 chests per fight, but thats between 8 people for the entire week
    That's still not the point.

    You shouldn't be able to rerun the others either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    That's still not the point.

    You shouldn't be able to rerun the others either.
    Except the loot system in the 24-mans is designed around being able to run it again.

    ONE MORE THING

    There's only about half the loot available in the 24-mans as there is in the 8-mans. No accessories or weapons. So half the amount of loot, half the number of chests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Except the loot system in the 24-mans is designed around being able to run it again.

    ONE MORE THING

    There's only about half the loot available in the 24-mans as there is in the 8-mans. No accessories or weapons. So half the amount of loot, half the number of chests.
    You. Should. Not. Be. Able. To. Run. It. 40. Times. A. Week.

    That's precisely what caused Alex burnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    That's not my point.

    My point is that 8 player raids drop 2 items for the 8 players present.

    24 player raids dropping 3 items for the 24 players present is a crap ratio. That's 1 item per full party vs 2. B. S.
    If you count all 24 players and not only the 8 in the same group, then it is 9 items
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    If you count all 24 players and not only the 8 in the same group, then it is 9 items
    Okay then.

    One piece of gear for 8 people per boss.

    Crap ratio.

    It should have gone the same way 3 items for 40 did in WoW. And that was if you were lucky. Most bosses dropped one, maybe 2 in the beginning. You know where that way went? RL Dodos and dinosaurs went that same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Okay then.

    One piece of gear for 8 people per boss.

    Crap ratio.

    It should have gone the same way 3 items for 40 did in WoW. And that was if you were lucky. Most bosses dropped one, maybe 2 in the beginning. You know where that way went? RL Dodos and dinosaurs went that same way.
    Both your and Felis' math is slightly off.

    There are 4 bosses in the 24 mans and each drops a chest for each party for a total of 12 equipment drops per run. Gobdips, Gobcoat and Gobtwine will also be in the chests (with alternative lock outs) so depending on which chests give out which tokens and how many of each are given out the total number of rewards per run could easily be 18 to 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Both your and Felis' math is slightly off.

    There are 4 bosses in the 24 mans and each drops a chest for each party for a total of 12 equipment drops per run. Gobdips, Gobcoat and Gobtwine will also be in the chests (with alternative lock outs) so depending on which chests give out which tokens and how many of each are given out the total number of rewards per run could easily be 18 to 30.
    How do you know they won't be part of a weekly quest of some sort? Don't think SE has confirmed it quite yet.

    I fully agree with Nadirah, I don't want to be burnt out on the raid the week of release. If I have to run it 40 times to get the piece of gear I want, you'll bet it'll turn into a tedious grind. That's fine and all, but if it's the first week? It should be a guaranteed token system similar to Bis/Rav Extreme, or similar to the updated system of Alexander. You can bet I'll enjoy the content a whole lot more if I only have to run it 1-3 times a week.
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