You think our Cash shop is bad...take a look at THIS

[Felis]

FFXIV's cash shop is indeed still reasonable... except for one thing - retainers.

I could live with buying additional retainers for 10$ etc, but paying additional sub fee? It doesn't matter how small the fee is, it seems nuts.

but retainers are extra and not inside the cash shop ^^
Still better than +3$/month for every character slot that we had during 1.x

[Colorful]

but retainers are extra and not inside the cash shop ^^

Well, they're still in a shop that you use cash to buy things from so...

[Kayote]

So a handful of items being sold on the cash shop of a B2P game that was originally released over a year ago is worse that the one for this game? You realize this game is P2P right? The items we buy on the cash shop cannot be used unless you also pay the sub fee (and vice versa).

.... I dont care if Bungie starts selling Distiny bullets for $0.05 a shot its still no where near as bad as the finger SE gives their players/fans every time they withhold (or remove) items from subscribers to milk them for more in the cash shop.

[Jynx]

Everything should be obtained withing game. Nothing should be cut and removed then set aside for cash transactions.

Gold saucer is the perfect venue for out of season glamor and seasonal event items

Special event items like lightning returns. Physical item exclusive stuff after a year long exclusivity period could move to the saucer.

Giving the place real value in the long term. Incentives for players to go there and participate in events and cactpot. He'll incentives for the development team to not ignore the place beyond implementation.

[Risvertasashi]

You derailed your own argument, exactly why it cash shop or unobtainable is because of business reasons, they want he $$ for the items from the cash shop.

Hardly. They had and used a system for obtaining old items before the cash shop. Just because they won't use an alternative doesn't mean it's not there. The cash shop is just the most attractive alternative to them because it brings in $$.

[Felis]

Well, they're still in a shop that you use cash to buy things from so...

Then 1.0 had also already a cash shop, because we bought character slots extra (yes, even the first character slot)

[AzraelX]

Wow, I didn't know so many ppl hated the CAsh Shop- I thought most ppl never even brought the stuff.

but didn't Yoshi say 100% of profits from cash shop go into game development?

[Colorful]

Then 1.0 had also already a cash shop, because we bought character slots extra (yes, even the first character slot)

That's not the point though, it's that charging monthly for retainers is a tad crazy.

[Savagelf]

worst cash shops tried swtors, and sto these two have worst cash shops

[Archaell]

but didn't Yoshi say 100% of profits from cash shop go into game development?

but retainers are extra and not inside the cash shop ^^

Wait, wait, wait, WAIT! Are you trying to tell me that retainer's fee does not go towards the game's development?