"Who...what are you?"

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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I don't agree with any of this. Yes, Thordon wanted to end the chaos and anguish that the Dragonsong War brought, but he was willing to to become a primal in order to do so and we (as in we the players and characters in game) already know why primals are bad news. He also displayed extremist traits since he believed what he was doing was the only way to truly solve the problem and not joining his side paints you as his enemy that needs to be put down. Thordon's greater good was, at best, a short term solution that would not benefit people in the long run. To me he wasn't "bad", but just wrong in his approach.

You say Thordon was "pure of heart", but I say he was delusional and desperate. His actions in becoming a primal, along with his knights twelve, would have quickly gained the attention of the Garlean Empire since they want to get rid of primals by any means. Now you traded one war for another war by swapping dragons with humanity. You also forget that Nidhogg had no intention of destroying Ishgard; he wanted to make the people suffer forever until they either gave up in despair or became dragons. As Alphinaud had said, "Nidhogg could have easily destroyed Ishgard by himself many times over."

You say the WOL and the Ascians are basically one and the same, but they are barely close other than the power they exhibit. We learn through Tiamat that the Ascians caused shenanigans many eons ago and were responsible for the Allagans learning how to summon and control primals and the Ascians also had a hand in making Bahamut a primal, which caused the Calamity many years later that Eorzea is still recovering from to this day. What has the WOL done so far? Slay a bunch of primals, stopped the Empire from taking over, and managed to get dragon and man to rebuild their relationship with one another. From the eyes of the common folk, who do you think they are going to side with (assuming they know who the Asians are for argument's sake)?

You also believe Ishgard was dragged" into the Alliance, but seem to conveniently forget that Ishgard returning was sorely needed if Eorzea as a whole wants to repel the Empire and help each other out. That's how national relationships build and flourish. A house divided, etc etc. Ishgard tried to stay out of everyone else's problems, but they couldn't ignore the fact that if the other city-states had fallen, Ishgard would be the Empire's next target. You also say we crushed the beast tribes, but I don't see any of that. Repel seems to be the better term since there's really no resolution with the beast tribes in the main scenario in terms of closure. You claim that the beastmen were just a nuisance, but also seem to forget said beastmen (the fanatic ones at least) summon primals and I don't think I need to be reminding you time and time again why having a primal out in the world is bad for everyone. (There's also the beast tribe quests whose overall purpose is to try and get people and beastmen working together again (kinda like the dragons, eh?), even if it's just a few baby steps at a time)

You say a democracy in Ishgard is bad, but why? How is it worse than what they had previously? Are you just saying it's bad for the sake of it?


I think you're either looking too deep into this or are trying to make a HUGE claim that the WOL is actually a villain that doesn't see what their actions is causing just to say that "we're the real bad guys". Final Fantasy is always going to have the player be the heroes in one form or another that eventually works out in the end.