Final Fantasy XIV going back to Final Fantasy Roots

[Yaichiro]

But changing the game, and losing people that already love the game, is that fair or right?

But people are leaving. Have you wondered why they always talk about "registered" accounts rather than subscribed? It's simple, because the player base is thinning with every month. Yoshida himself admitted that people return only for the first few weeks of new patches.

The expansion too didn't help much. In fact I feel betrayed with it since I quitted the game during the initial release of patch 2.3 and returned for the expansion. When I payed for the expansion which was more expensive than the ARR copy I got in December 2013, I expected an extreme overhaul of the game with airships and stuff being involved in battle but guess what I literally bought a "big" patch not an expansion.

[Iromi]

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I can't tell you how many people have said this, but its exactly true. The expansion seems like nothing but a big patch. It didn't change much of anything or introduce anything new...and as a result people are leaving. I remember when Yoshida said something like oh, its okay to take a break and come back...well, people dont seem to be coming back anymore. Everyone I know could care less about 3.1 and have no intentions of coming back.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

The expansion too didn't help much. In fact I feel betrayed with it since I quitted the game during the initial release of patch 2.3 and returned for the expansion. When I payed for the expansion which was more expensive than the ARR copy I got in December 2013, I expected an extreme overhaul of the game with airships and stuff being involved in battle but guess what I literally bought a "big" patch not an expansion.

Could you clarify what about the expansion you didn't like? Cause I can list what they added with quite a bit of ease. An Expansion is meant to add new features to exsisting things, which it did, not only add to the battle/crafting/gathering classes (some are good and some are bad, but thats off topic), but also add brand new features (flying being the big one). We all had expectations on what we wanted out of the expansion, and I'm sorry yours wasn't fufilled, but I think they did a fine job with giving us new content or addiing onto the exsisting content. Lets remember, Heavensward isn't over, and this isn't really a big point, because its not with the initial release of the xpac, there will be more to come.

[Saphirro]

Lets remember, Heavensward isn't over, and this isn't really a big point, because its not with the initial release of the xpac, there will be more to come.

It was content u paid for, so expectations are higher than for the free patches. Heavensward inst over, maybe for me or you or next guy but how many pple left 4 ever ? There will be more to come for who ? For how long ? One week ? one month ? Than what ? Most of my FC have all at lvl 60, 205+ ilvl they log in do daily and leave. Awesome. Next we can take Alexander raid (if we can actually call it raid). 4 bosses? Nothing extra, most of that "raid" is just DPS check. Sorry but even ravana have more mechanics.Loot system is something new but to be honest its terrible. You have to farm chest 4 weeks in static 8man, and dont to mention if you now buy 200ilvl chest u have practically nothing to loot from last boss. No trash. What to do as lvl 60? None care already about Rank A sometimes not even about Rank S. The only thing u are doing now is just spending time in casino or farming glamour eq.

Now you have biiiiiig amount of MMORPGs whats so special about FFXIV ? Why to choose it ? Thats the question. If you have 2 breads that looks same just another package which you choose ? OFC cheaper.

TL;DR yes Heavensward was pretty much paid fail.

[karateorangutang]

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Just throwing it out there, but I'll agree that the game isn't really inclined to the hardcore raiding community. That's also not the primary customer of the game. I would be willing to bet that if you looked at the population most people are still under i180 and a good chunk of them are still working on getting to 60.

The game hasn't been focused around the endgame raiding scene since it's re-release as far as I can see.

[Saphirro]

Just throwing it out there, but I'll agree that the game isn't really inclined to the hardcore raiding community. That's also not the primary customer of the game. I would be willing to bet that if you looked at the population most people are still under i180 and a good chunk of them are still working on getting to 60.

The game hasn't been focused around the endgame raiding scene since it's re-release as far as I can see.

probably but if you look back you had few good raids, that were for free. Most of players are under i180 because a lot of old players left. The only thing that keed old players is end-game content and sorry 4 bosses rly isnt end game content. Since this game is PvE oriented and PvP isnt really something to be thrilled for, the SE should start thinking about old players, not just about new.

[karateorangutang]

probably but if you look back you had few good raids, that were for free. Most of players are under i180 because a lot of old players left. The only thing that keed old players is end-game content and sorry 4 bosses rly isnt end game content. Since this game is PvE oriented and PvP isnt really something to be thrilled for, the SE should start thinking about old players, not just about new.

Agreed, honestly I wish we would have seen more stuff for endgame then... the gold saucer, but thats just my opinion.

[Dererk]

probably but if you look back you had few good raids, that were for free. Most of players are under i180 because a lot of old players left. The only thing that keed old players is end-game content and sorry 4 bosses rly isnt end game content. Since this game is PvE oriented and PvP isnt really something to be thrilled for, the SE should start thinking about old players, not just about new.

PvE? We have this? IV only seen the open world as mostly catered to crafters and gatherers cause once you hit 60 all battle related stuff is in timed instances? Cept hunt mobs but these are hit and miss. Raids are awfull period open world content as a battle class awfull (and I mean as a level 60 class). Gear progression.....im not even going to touch this.

[Shurrikhan]

PvE? We have this?

Since we do call the traditional 12-by-12 meter boss room and environment, yes, we have PvE. The merits of including such into the category are debatable.

[Iromi]

PvE? We have this? IV only seen the open world as mostly catered to crafters and gatherers cause once you hit 60 all battle related stuff is in timed instances? Cept hunt mobs but these are hit and miss. Raids are awfull period open world content as a battle class awfull (and I mean as a level 60 class). Gear progression.....im not even going to touch this.

Lol nailed it. Oh how I miss PvE...