gender equality and social disorder

[Samcaesar]

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While I largely agree, I think it'd much be easier to drop the notion of transvestism, as that's probably where the comparison to transgender people comes from.

And lmao, I agree that the "fitting feminine outfits on male models is hard" is likely nonsense, but that's just their main reasoning.

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Okay, it's a fairly simple concept, Women have the freedom to either conform to gender roles (Which is seen as weak by society) or emulate men (Which are seen by strong by society), men lack this option and are given one option "be men", because a man shouldn't lower himself to more "womanly" things (according to society as is, anyways). This is part of concepts that feminists have pointed out like toxic masculinity (Where men have to be men! If they wear 'women's' clothes they're weak) and the concept that masculinity is seen as desirable, but not femininity (Hence why one is unisex, but not the other)... Now there's plenty of further discussion and talk about the various concepts, but that's a base level description of it. There's a lot to discuss with regards to societal concepts of gender and how they interact with each other.

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I feel you there, but I don't really get how it'd be harder, I mean, they'd basically just do the same thing but with a "flat" model instead of a "boob" model or whatever. But hey I don't know much about it, but I'm sure it's possible.

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Try actually reading some of the feminist theories that have been evolving and going on since the 40s (At least in a mainstream sense)... But nah, it's just "nutcases" obviously. You're being incredibly shallow and defensive over a lot of well discussed social theories on gender.

Tumblr has a lot of people, like neo nazis too you know. It's how the social media platform is built, due to the way to refine and essentially ignore anyone you don't feel like interacting with. Trying to use it as a scapegoat when you mean "people talking about feminism" is silly due to the sites' structure.

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What on earth are you people talking about? Like, lmao, games (and parts of anymedia) have always been used to address real world concepts and "drama". I mean, heck do we need to get into the discussion about the what the heck Tetris brought to the plate in terms of "real life drama"? Plus.. This is FF, it's been talking about religious institutions and other "real life drama" things for a while now. Let's not even talk about "fantasy" as a genre and how it's always dealt with real life issues.

I don't know where these folks get this idea that video games were always apolitical and had nothing to do with the real world. Who do you think makes these games ffs, supranatural beings with no connection to the real world?

[Misutoraru]

Also, anyone else miss the good old days when "Fantasy" games had nothing to do with real life drama all the time? Use to be I'd play games to get away from this kind of stuff, now I can't even do that without people losing it over every little damn thing. /sigh

I do miss the old no which is like living in another dimension doing something purely on imagination

[Belhi]

Let guys wear a dress if they want. I've already seen glamours in game out there which are far more 'challanging' than a big guy in a skimpy dress (seriously my FC leader has this Roe Moogle in tiger tripped speedo thing going which is kind of intimidating.)

To be honest, I think the reason women are more incline to wear men's clothing than vice versa in modern society is simply because male clothing is more practical. High Heals and Skirts tend to get in the way a lot more than flat heels and pants. I don't really think its a 'women dressing as men' thing and I've seen plenty of women that can be very feminine in without wearing a dress.

[Iromi]

Omg...i want high heels in game, plspls. :3 I swear se said we'd get some...then again they say a lot of things lol.

[KeluBehemoth]

Probably because fashion in general is mostly geared towards women.

You see plenty of women in men clothes today or variants.

I personally as a man would never wear a dress and the only men you do see wearin them are trans or drag. In which case you could just make a female avatar anyways.

Don't get me wrong it bothers me slightly. I really do hate how men's fashion literally consists of about 5 or 6 clothing types while women have hundreds of different styles.

Really the only option for men, which SE has done is adding hyper sexualized clothing as they have done in previous FF titles for males. Crop tops, shirtless suspenders, tight pants and short shorts. Even then the male fashion world is underwhelming as it is most often for slim body types and any sexualized clothing on men is generally considered "gay" even if the opposit sex appreciated it. (Solely due to ones own homoerotic tendencies in seeing another man dressed as such)

[Dualgunner]

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The only argument I have to this is lalafells are flat chested and still allowed to wear generally skimpy attire, so I might have some trouble believing its the chest that's the problem, but that's just my perception.

[KeluBehemoth]

I really do die a little inside every time I go clothes shopping as the only option for men is this: Poorly fitted sagging ass jeans. skinny jeans. Beer/cartoon/MMA t shirts. Golf T shirts. Long sleeve T shirts. Suits. Trench coats. Silk shirts.

women: Pantyhose,Leggings,Knee highs, yoga pants, jeans, short shorts, waist high shorts, skirts, sarouls, mini skirts, garters, corsets, t shirts, baby doll t shirts, long sleeve t shirts, skinny jeans, crop tops, gown dresses, mini dress, v cut, of shoulder, shawl, blouse, tank top, strap tanks, one pieces,

[Colorful]

The only argument I have to this is lalafells are flat chested and still allowed to wear generally skimpy attire, so I might have some trouble believing its the chest that's the problem, but that's just my perception.

I'm 100% sure it's due to them not wanting to put the exact same set on males, but changing it to fit something more appropriate for their gender, which is why it would take more development. Whereas for females, if it shows the chest they add a bra and call it a day.

[Dualgunner]

I wouldn't disagree with that line of thinking, as that is probably what the designers are thinking when they make the unisex attire, and to be honest I would be glad to find that more effort went into male versions of female attire than "Ok it is stretched to fit the model, good day."

I get where everyone is coming from with wanting more glamour options, and support it. My support though extends more toward the glamour system, though, which I think is somewhat limited, what with us only being able to pick glams in certain classes/jobs/gender. Certain gearsets I understand, such as AF (though Warrior gear with a greatsword...mmmm badass oozes from the combo, or MNK with DRG armor cuz spikey punching and kicking, but I digress) and racial gear, but if I want to look like an armored mage why can't I? lol

[Colorful]

I get where everyone is coming from with wanting more glamour options, and support it. My support though extends more toward the glamour system, though, which I think is somewhat limited, what with us only being able to pick glams in certain classes/jobs/gender. Certain gearsets I understand, such as AF (though Warrior gear with a greatsword...mmmm badass oozes from the combo, or MNK with DRG armor cuz spikey punching and kicking, but I digress) and racial gear, but if I want to look like an armored mage why can't I? lol

I'd love for them to unrestrict it, playing WildStar and I can use any item for glamour purposes, light, medium, heavy, even if it's a higher level than I am! At level 25 I feel as if I have far more options than I do as a level 60 in FFXIV. Oh, and the dye system is far better too with 3 layers on most pieces.