WHM needs more instant heals

[Risvertasashi]

Also, counting 50% health as emergency means either your tank is wearing cheese, if the next hit can potentially kill them, or you are under estimating them.

Well, a lot of them are wearing STR gear. And some savage minicleaves hit quite hard. Easily over 50% with their tank stance down, which is also a thing.

[Gorlioliolio]

I like how OP has bene 2 proc as 1 of ASTs "Instants" but then says assize is unreliable because of 90s CD.... any proc is more unreliable than a CD.

Also tetra>ED, 40s recast vs 60s= whm has 50% more recast. However 400 potency vs 700=75% potency vs the 50% it should be from the 50% more recast.

Also, WTF is with ED scaling, this skill is absolutely insane how its heals scale.

Go into any low level dungeon as AST and use benefic, then use ED, exact same potency but ED hits up to 2x harder depending on level. At 60 however its potency falls directly in line with benefic in terms of how much it heals, and really when you use it while a tank is dropping fast your left kind of wondering if it even went off because of how low the potency is later on while you get used to relying on it for 3/4ths of a tank hp bar while you level.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Also tetra>ED, 40s recast vs 60s= whm has 50% more recast. However 400 potency vs 700=75% potency vs the 50% it should be from the 50% more recast.

Also, WTF is with ED scaling, this skill is absolutely insane how its heals scale.

Go into any low level dungeon as AST and use benefic, then use ED, exact same potency but ED hits up to 2x harder depending on level. At 60 however its potency falls directly in line with benefic in terms of how much it heals, and really when you use it while a tank is dropping fast your left kind of wondering if it even went off because of how low the potency is later on while you get used to relying on it for 3/4ths of a tank hp bar while you level.

Let me list up what you're saying here:
Tetra is superior to Essential Dignity
400 potency is 75% of 700, apparently (400 is actually 75% of 533 potency, but yeah) Also: Essential Dignity also scales all the way up to 1000 potency
And what you're saying is basically... ED scales terribly by level, even though it's still always the same 400-1000 potency? Just like, you know, Tetragrammaton?

Can some one help me out here?

[Anova]

You mean 1000 potency Lyrica, and it increases by 100pot for every 15% max hp missing on the target.

If you're getting a low heal out of ED Gorlio, you're not letting the tank drop to <10% hp. Here's a scale to help illustrate it. Keep in mind the test values are about half of what they should be at lv.60.

The alternative is that you're partying with tanks with a combination of STR and VIT accessories at lower levels (because nobody is fully geared when leveling) and your tank at 60 is somehow wearing all VIT gear and with 5 stacks of defiance. So you're just noticing a difference in the %, because ED is a healing ability and not affected by defiance or convalesence (neither is tetra, lustrate, or benediction though).

Also damage and hp is very different at low levels compared to high levels. A cure/bene/physick will heal a tank more than 50% of their hp in Sastasha. It only heals about 10% at endgame. It's just a matter of gearing and hp growth with the classes.

FYI, you get a trait at lv.28 to shorten the time of ED from 60 seconds to 40 seconds. Before lv.28 it is a 60 sec CD. If you're just looking at the tooltip, it will tell you its a 60 sec CD when you look at the skill regardless of your actual level. So that's probably where that confusion came from.

[Muahbec]

I just love the fact that, the more a read some of the threads in these forums the more i feel that WHMs hate ASTs....

"snip...AST have this and that and my WHM does not have, I WANT IT!...snip"
"snip...SCH have everything but that's ok...snip"
Really queen? Really? What's this? "Astrolophobia"?

oh and btw Essential Dignity is the only reliable instant emergency tool AST have. If you are spamming Aspect benefic to get the "instant adloquium" then i have 2 things to tell ya.
First: You are sacrificing the HOLY diurnal sect regen.
Second: You are drinking your mp like water.
Bonus: You are probably playing it wrong >_>

[Gorlioliolio]

Sorry fully forgot about that scaling with lower HP thing, that explains a lot of what I'm seeing then, thanks guys, but for the math part, your wrong 40s vs 60s, 60 seconds is 150% of the time, 400 vs 700, 700 is 175% of 400, therefore if it wasn't for the hp scaling part (I get it now, I let my tanks get a lot closer to dead in sub 30 dungeons so that makes sense) then tetra would be hands down more powerful, but given the scaling part it becomes slightly more powerful than tetra, pretty much you are never going to use it on a tank above 70% hp cus it seems like a waste so your looking at a minimum of 600 potency on a lower timer.

You could also do the math backwards and ignoring the scaling based on hp thing come to 66% of the recast for 57% of the potency shows pretty much the same difference.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Oh, it's very obviously that there are a lot of WHMs and SCHs that are just petty and hateful toward AST. It reminds me of the spoiled, rich child that has everything and then gets jealous when a less fortunate friend finally gets some new, pretty item.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Sorry fully forgot about that scaling with lower HP thing, that explains a lot of what I'm seeing then, thanks guys, but for the math part, your wrong 40s vs 60s, 60 seconds is 150% of the time, 400 vs 700, 700 is 175% of 400, therefore if it wasn't for the hp scaling part (I get it now, I let my tanks get a lot closer to dead in sub 30 dungeons so that makes sense) then tetra would be hands down more powerful, but given the scaling part it becomes slightly more powerful than tetra, pretty much you are never going to use it on a tank above 70% hp cus it seems like a waste so your looking at a minimum of 600 potency on a lower timer.

You could also do the math backwards and ignoring the scaling based on hp thing come to 66% of the recast for 57% of the potency shows pretty much the same difference.

You may want to look back at your previous post then

[Gorlioliolio]

60s is 150% of 40s, therefore the cooldown is 50% longer, or was it the 75%, 700 is 175% of 400, there the potency is 75% more..... that better?

Nothing was wrong with my math just your comprehension, and I realized that it was because I was able to let tanks drop a lot lower in low level dungeons thanks to ED but in high level stuff it is much less of a % of the tanks hp because bene is also much less since it used to heal about 50% of a tanks hp and now much closer to 15-20. At least for how badly geared my fresh 60 alt is. I just completely forgot about the scaling with hp part, sorry about that.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

snap

Or your lack of wording.

Also tetra>ED, 40s recast vs 60s= whm has 50% more recast. However 400 potency vs 700=75% potency vs the 50% it should be from the 50% more recast.

A single number, symbol or even a whole word would make more sense for that "math".

Also tetra>ED, 40s recast vs 60s= whm has 50% more recast.

However 400 potency vs 700=75% more potency vs the 50% it should be from the 50% more recast.

"something vs something = some percentage" isn't even math to begin with