Remove ARF from the MSQ

[kazeandi]

I managed to get a party, one of my FC mates joined me and this time, it was a smooth run.
I went in as Scholar and healed it, didn't have the peace of mind to stand at a dummy and practice the new BLM rotation.
Now I do.

I generally watch video guides for new dungeons, so I had a rough idea what's coming up.
I also normally look where the others stand or run in certain situations and try to keep up. This worked fine, too.
Did the trial right after, then the other 2 dungeons for the expert roulette.

This was really a roadblock, but I have it out of the way now.

I'd like to add that my FC mates were running a PVP team.
They're not bad or unhelpful normally, they're just trying to get some action started as a community.
Me having weird shifts (as is often the case in Japan) didn't really help.

Doing DF isn't particularly helpful, especially not on our server, for stuff that's not basically instant gratification. Half of the groups are Alexander, the others Fates. Once in a blue moon something else pops up, so there's just no reason for people to even check what's going on.

Anyways, I got it done and like to thank you for your offers to help me out. It's really appreciated.
As for the problem at hand, I really hope SE does something about it. I'm sure the more time passes, the worse this will become.

[Derio]

As a tank I can tell you that i have ran that only about 3 times and that was when I was leveling and for a friend. Chances of me running that piece of content via DF again is slim to none unless SE makes a reason for people to run it again. The low level dungeon and high level dungeon rewards are a joke so there is no real incentive to run it.

[Gilthas]

No. This is not true for FFXIV, where most content is solo and you get your group action from a queuing tool that works cross-server. This is not like older MMOs, where servers developed real communities. It's more like MacDonald's Drive-Thru, where you queue up, do your run, then never meet those people again.

Anyone here actually tried to do group content in FFXI that had no rewards? So much for older MMOs developing real communities...

[Blood-Aki]

What? no.. ARF is very important to the story, SE just made the huge mistake of giving NO incentive to do it again, Much like MOG ex, altho it does very rarely drop a mat needed for an expensive glamour weapon ARF has 0, that means once you have finished it, there is no reason to go back, the ONLY reason is that it gives you more law from the newbie bonus, assuming the run is fast,

I mean, for a 60 dungeon it does not even drop any gear, Im not sure what they thought would happen with this other then what happend now, No one will do it.. and its NEEDED to even get started gearing past law gear. I mean, Look at Steps of faith, same problem but much shorter, and people still bail on that and it's actually pretty hard to fail if the group is even remmotly competent due to nerf.

But law is hardly an incentive to do it, as law is becoming useless for most people.

[Fynlar]

Expert dungeons generally have the same ilvl requirements. ARF has a lower check (and if it had rewards, less valuable loot), thus it would be considered "too easy" for an expert label.

They could have easily upped its ilvl to the same as the EX dungeons (they already aren't much different), give it some esos, and put in some actual loot into the dungeon if they thought people would care about that (although given how most Valerian stuff goes to the floor nowadays, I'd imagine they wouldn't)

Really, this is a problem they should have foreseen.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Look at the dungeon info, ARF requires an ilvl of 142 while expert dungeons currently require 145. I'm not sure why that is, but I can assume it's to ease players into the final story dungeon since we can't assume that A) they will have gotten all the gear from the previous dungeon and B) they had the gil to buy LV60 gear.

At any rate, what loot could you even throw into the facility? If you say use what the current EX dungeons use, then I can see people not wanting to do it because "it's too long" and they already whine about Neverreap being the same thing plus you'd get the overgeared guys wanting to speed run, newbies be damned. ARF is part of the MSQ and isn't an optional. What is needed is punting it into the main story roulette since 4 and 8 man don't matter it seems and beefing rewards.

[Belhi]

They could have easily upped its ilvl to the same as the EX dungeons (they already aren't much different), give it some esos, and put in some actual loot into the dungeon if they thought people would care about that (although given how most Valerian stuff goes to the floor nowadays, I'd imagine they wouldn't)

Really, this is a problem they should have foreseen.

Then you would see people complaining about low geared new players in the roulette stoping to watch cutscenes and 'wasting other people's time'.

Frankly if they just made Law valuable again I suspect a lot of people would run it again simply cause it offers the best Law rewards in the game currently for a repeat dungeon. If you need to buy things with Law for the relic, people will queue for ARF again.

[Averax]

What they need to do is add it to expert roulette or at the very least have it reward 100 esoterics per day so people would actually do it.

[FoxyAreku]

Is it really easier to post on the forums about a long queue time then it is to ask your FC, ask your friends, or make a party finder group?

Even shouting for help in idyllshire would have most likely gotten this done.

[Colorful]

What they need to do is add it to expert roulette or at the very least have it reward 100 esoterics per day so people would actually do it.

Why on Earth would anybody do anything but ARF if it gave 100 Esoterics a day? Seems like a silly suggestion.