Remove ARF from the MSQ

[Derio]

As a tank I can tell you that i have ran that only about 3 times and that was when I was leveling and for a friend. Chances of me running that piece of content via DF again is slim to none unless SE makes a reason for people to run it again. The low level dungeon and high level dungeon rewards are a joke so there is no real incentive to run it.

[Blood-Aki]

What? no.. ARF is very important to the story, SE just made the huge mistake of giving NO incentive to do it again, Much like MOG ex, altho it does very rarely drop a mat needed for an expensive glamour weapon ARF has 0, that means once you have finished it, there is no reason to go back, the ONLY reason is that it gives you more law from the newbie bonus, assuming the run is fast,

I mean, for a 60 dungeon it does not even drop any gear, Im not sure what they thought would happen with this other then what happend now, No one will do it.. and its NEEDED to even get started gearing past law gear. I mean, Look at Steps of faith, same problem but much shorter, and people still bail on that and it's actually pretty hard to fail if the group is even remmotly competent due to nerf.

But law is hardly an incentive to do it, as law is becoming useless for most people.

[Fynlar]

Expert dungeons generally have the same ilvl requirements. ARF has a lower check (and if it had rewards, less valuable loot), thus it would be considered "too easy" for an expert label.

They could have easily upped its ilvl to the same as the EX dungeons (they already aren't much different), give it some esos, and put in some actual loot into the dungeon if they thought people would care about that (although given how most Valerian stuff goes to the floor nowadays, I'd imagine they wouldn't)

Really, this is a problem they should have foreseen.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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Look at the dungeon info, ARF requires an ilvl of 142 while expert dungeons currently require 145. I'm not sure why that is, but I can assume it's to ease players into the final story dungeon since we can't assume that A) they will have gotten all the gear from the previous dungeon and B) they had the gil to buy LV60 gear.

At any rate, what loot could you even throw into the facility? If you say use what the current EX dungeons use, then I can see people not wanting to do it because "it's too long" and they already whine about Neverreap being the same thing plus you'd get the overgeared guys wanting to speed run, newbies be damned. ARF is part of the MSQ and isn't an optional. What is needed is punting it into the main story roulette since 4 and 8 man don't matter it seems and beefing rewards.

[Belhi]

They could have easily upped its ilvl to the same as the EX dungeons (they already aren't much different), give it some esos, and put in some actual loot into the dungeon if they thought people would care about that (although given how most Valerian stuff goes to the floor nowadays, I'd imagine they wouldn't)

Really, this is a problem they should have foreseen.

Then you would see people complaining about low geared new players in the roulette stoping to watch cutscenes and 'wasting other people's time'.

Frankly if they just made Law valuable again I suspect a lot of people would run it again simply cause it offers the best Law rewards in the game currently for a repeat dungeon. If you need to buy things with Law for the relic, people will queue for ARF again.

[Averax]

What they need to do is add it to expert roulette or at the very least have it reward 100 esoterics per day so people would actually do it.

[Colorful]

What they need to do is add it to expert roulette or at the very least have it reward 100 esoterics per day so people would actually do it.

Why on Earth would anybody do anything but ARF if it gave 100 Esoterics a day? Seems like a silly suggestion.

[Twilite]

Why on Earth would anybody do anything but ARF if it gave 100 Esoterics a day? Seems like a silly suggestion.

Could only run it 4 times too.

[Averax]

Why on Earth would anybody do anything but ARF if it gave 100 Esoterics a day? Seems like a silly suggestion.

Well, a random daily rewards 35 + 40 for the actual duty, so that's 75 per day. ARF is nearly twice as long as those other duties, so i think a daily 100 seems pretty fair. Maybe drop it to 50 after the first run.

Also, it yields no loot, so it's a decent compensation

[Alex_Lenderson]

But... how? I've done it a few times. (Once story, had one wipe - cleared) Did it 2nd time for Law. Did it 3rd time with a pair of fresh 60 FC members, no wipe. How are you getting constant wipes in this easy dungeon? I know your BLM so its probably the healer/tank fault but wow. What in the world?