BRDs not using WM -_-

[Yaichiro]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

[seekified]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

This is actually such a good point. Just because a bad DPS usually isn't directly related to a party wiping, they shouldn't be let off the hook easy.

[Tharian]

If you see a bard/machinist not using their stance AT ALL then by all means kick them. You kick tanks that don't hold aggro and healers that can't heal so there is no reason not to kick dps that won't use their stuff.

I was recently in a Party where the Ninja was ONLY using Spinning Edge and absolutely NOTHING else. This was in a post level 50 dungeon. Yeah we kicked that Ninja after the first couple of fights when we realized that the guy was being utterly useless for us.

Basic principle here applies with every class, if the individual in question isn't willing to use all of their skills to the benefit of the Party, and it inadvertently leads to problems for the rest of the party, then that lack of utility on the individuals part qualifies as a low level version of harassment and you CAN kick them for it, especially if it ends up getting your party K.O.'d during a Boss Fight or something to that effect.

As an alternative example, this one being where the DPS was doing his job TOO well... I was in the "Ward Up" Guildhest with this Summoner who had Ifrit-Egi summoned, and had the Egi on "Sic" (even "Obey" would be a problem here) and was absolutely refusing my request to dismiss the Egi so it wouldn't continuously Auto-Attack the Gargoyle's to death prematurely. I was on my healer at the time, and basically stopped healing the party completely so we could be forced out of combat so that the party could Vote Dismiss the stupid Summoner and get a replacement that would work with the party better. That is seriously one of the most annoying Guildhests in existence to go into with a Summoner who won't listen to directions.

Speaking as a person who is just one level off from 60 on my own Bard, I can't help but feel that people are over-stressing the issues with Wanderer's Minuet. The Cast Times are ONLY 1.5 seconds long at the most, which is a full second shorter than any other casting class except the Machinist with Gauss Barrel activated. We still have one of the highest rates of mobility in the game, it isn't like we suddenly became Black Mages by any means. If it really bothers you, then you can very easily just take to "Stance Hopping," since unlike several other classes with Stances we can change our stance mid-battle.