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    Martin_Arcainess's Avatar
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    Martin Arcainess
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MeeYow View Post
    WAR.

    Almost all of the cooldowns are insensitive of damage type, no raid will leave you last choice.

    DPS through the roof single target and AoE.

    Best team utility.

    Max DPS rotation also holds hate.

    Mad TP management

    Low cooldown timers, inner beast never far away as a backup.

    It has all the tools and is more about deciding which ones to use and when, rather than the other tanks which simply can't do some things.

    Effective and forgiving, but also has a rewardingly high skill ceiling.
    Same can be said for DRK, does WAR have a ground AOE it can place down? Does WAR have a close in skill? Also I might just add the only thing from WAR is he doesn't have the Damage reduction from he's Tank stance but PLD/DRK do.
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Inner Beast is way better at reducing Magic Damage then Dark Mind.

    20% vs 15-30%

    Dark Mind has to have Dark Arts to even make it good.

    Has much less of a cool-down.

    You can pretty much Inner Beast every magical attack, and also reduce the autoattack that happens afterwards.

    The "Magical" tank thing is poorly designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Inner Beast is way better at reducing Magic Damage then Dark Mind.

    20% vs 15-30%

    Dark Mind has to have Dark Arts to even make it good.

    Has much less of a cool-down.

    You can pretty much Inner Beast every magical attack, and also reduce the autoattack that happens afterwards.

    The "Magical" tank thing is poorly designed.
    Your playing DRK so wrong then if you think that :P and you can't inner beast every attack since you need to build up your stacks for it and WAR is missing the -20% Damage taken that DRK/PLD has also you can D-Blade, Reprisal, Shadow Skin and DA+DM the TB which really what you should ever use your attack for not to mention Inner beast only last 6 seconds.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess View Post
    WAR is missing the -20% Damage taken that DRK/PLD has
    Stop. You're so wrong on this. +25% more HP is the exact same thing as -20% less damage taken in terms of eHP. The exact same thing. Only the healing part is inferior, Defiance would need to give about 25% more healing received to be completely equal to ShO/Grit, but those missing 4-5% are easily compensated by the huge amount of self-healing a WAR has.

    And Inner Beast is easily the best defensive ability in the game. Building 5 stacks takes between 16 and 21 seconds basically. You can have IB litteraly anytime you want and need it with knowledge of the fight. Vengeance is also the best defensive CD in the game without taking HG into account. And also, Storm's Eye and Storm's Path. Nuff said. Stop comparing WAR with the other 2, it's not even the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    Stop. You're so wrong on this. +25% more HP is the exact same thing as -20% less damage taken in terms of eHP. The exact same thing. Only the healing part is inferior, Defiance would need to give about 25% more healing received to be completely equal to ShO/Grit, but those missing 4-5% are easily compensated by the huge amount of self-healing a WAR has.

    etc due to limit
    Yeah but the main point i'm trying to make that DRK can reduce more Magic damage that a WAR.

    Don't get your fingers in a twist
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    Last edited by Martin_Arcainess; 10-13-2015 at 03:41 AM.

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    Tyrial Highguard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess View Post
    Yeah but the main point i'm trying to make that DRK can reduce more Magic damage that a WAR.

    Don't get your fingers in a twist
    That's a nice ninja edit to completely change your post. To answer your question (yes, the one you edited out):

    PLD was taken in solo tank situations primarily due to the fact that their CDs allowed groups to completely negate specific mechanics.
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    Exodus Kenpachi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Lol at anyone trying to say that WAR isn't mandatory for raids.

    The tank hierarchy is as such:

    1. WAR
    2. WAR
    3. WAR
    4. WAR
    5. DrK
    786. PLD

    WAR is the most complete tank in the game and has ZERO downsides. DrK is good but has flaws. If you are endgame raiding and looking for a static them go with WAR. If you are just casually playing then go with whatever feels the best.
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    Draelon Eldad
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 91
    In order for you to determine which one to main, is going to be based on which one you enjoy more, which is why I think you really need to level them both up to find the answer. If you want someone to tell you what to play than I say go warrior (thats just my preference)

    All tanks played well, are viable in current content.

    Do you want to MT or OT?
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    Astral Pyre
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    @ OP I would go Warrior if you are enjoying it, most solid tank among the three tanks, and most future proof if you are going to raid with it, but Warrior does have a higher learning curve to fully optimize it, versus Drk.

    Dark Knight is currently fine for everything ingame too, if you want to have that edgy feel.

    But play whatever you like is more important.
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    Melodiane Valerian
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    Masamune
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    Black Mage Lv 42
    Glorious full str WAR master race.
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