Dancer Tank!!!

[rawker]

evasion tank would be very hard to balance since evaded attacks deal 0 damage making HG, LD, and Holmgang piss poor compared to it. and since it will completely mitigate damage, this kind of tank will have the lowest hp pool of all tanks.

another thing on evasion tanks is that it will be stressful on healers. if the dancer fails to dodge consecutive attacks, say goodbye to your health.

[Shurrikhan]

Evasion tanks are fine. Tanks without controllable mitigation are not. Why do people so often assume that a tank must always dodge according to RNG, or that an evasiontank is an RNGtank?

Even a lack of "manual" mitigation control is fine is long as "procedural" mitigation can reliably intercept a known, incoming attack when it counts.

[rawker]

PLD's Sheltron is a guaranteed block.

WAR's Raw Intuition is a guaranteed Parry to frontal attacks

DRK's well... still fishing for that dodge and parry to proc off Dark Dance.


Though they do not completely block the entire attack. They still receive a portion of the damage. Having a dodge-equivalent of Sheltron or Raw Intuition where it is a guaranteed dodge is way overpowered since lol 100% damage mitigated. That would even make them better tanks than PLDs since they mitigate more damage.

[Shurrikhan]

where it is a guaranteed dodge is way overpowered since lol 100% damage mitigated...

Yet, it doesn't have to be. Dodge levels/calculations can be adjusted at any time. They could just as easily be an accuracy reduction of an enemy attack, stackable with parry, that creates a percentile glancing blow dealing, say, anywhere from 50% to 0% damage.

[wicked-one]

So i have seen a few dancer tank post out there and i am really interested in the concept now am trying to think how would it be implemented. Would it be more of the ff11 tank or more like a capoeira inspired Dancer.

[Freyyy]

The bigger issue is that you can't dodge or parry magic.

You can totally dodge magic. You can just not block/parry it.

I think that a tank with a lighter armor might be interesting. Especially as a Dancer. I'd love to see some kind of "cleric-like" healer, with somewhat heavy armor, a shield and a mace or hammer. Would look neat.

[Shurrikhan]

You can totally dodge magic. You can just not block/parry it.

Magic can miss (due to the attacker's own inaccuracy), which will display "dodge," but you can't technically dodge magic. This was more clear back when 'Dodge' and 'Miss' had separate displays.

[Freyyy]

Magic can miss (due to the attacker's own inaccuracy), which will display "dodge," but you can't technically dodge magic. This was more clear back when 'Dodge' and 'Miss' had separate displays.

Considering that dodge is calculated with enemy accuracy, I think that they're both one and the same. Plus when you have an ally who dodges an attack the flying text on him is "MISS" but when you're the person who dodges an attack it's "Dodge" so...

[Shurrikhan]

Considering that dodge is calculated with enemy accuracy, I think that they're both one and the same. Plus when you have an ally who dodges an attack the flying text on him is "MISS" but when you're the person who dodges an attack it's "Dodge" so...

In 1.x the term "miss" was used even on attacks against oneself if the enemy missed. (They do not have perfect hit chance.) Calling all enemy missed attacks as "dodges" if personal, and all non-personal dodges/misses as "misses" was just a change in display since ARR. Try aggroing in front of a higher level caster mob, pop your dodge buffs (DA-DD / Featherfoot) and see how effective that is. Now try blinding the enemy and see how much more you "dodge" (sadly w/o triggering Haymaker).

It's possible that I've just been very unlucky for the past 2 years, and that Shade Shift, when still the guaranteed Perfect Dodge (in 2.x), was only allowed to trigger on physical attacks despite this not being shown on the tooltip... but I really doubt it.

[Kuwagami]

I think that a tank with a lighter armor might be interesting.

Not really. You just have to see the difference in damage taken by a DRG and any tank at equal ilevel if they try to tank anything. A light-armored tank would get wrecked in no time in the current state of the game.

I'd like to see dancers as a debuffer dps (one can always dream, amirite ?) or a tp healer imo.

Though, bring on the cleric, or as a tank, the templar. gotta shine with truly holy tanks.