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    they should make a Dancer class and have Parry be it's vital stat....LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightshadow View Post
    They were created as healers in FFXI and fan dance wasn't made for tanking but rather for protection against AOE's
    I used fan dance as a dancer tank (Also if you merit fan dance it's even more amazing for tanking) Also fan dance builds enmity which is very strange for a move that is just used for protection against AOE's. It wasn't that far fetched and there were plenty of Dancer tanks I've met. We held enmity pretty well, had good sustain and evasion really helped with taking damage. It was kind of like Pal/Nin with higher numbers. DNC/WAR (for provoke) worked out very well.

    I like the idea of dancer being an entertainer that draws attention to themselves though.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 11-21-2015 at 05:48 AM.

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    As long as the class get's Kefka Armor I'll be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiametric View Post
    As long as the class get's Kefka Armor I'll be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leogun View Post
    I shouldn't have to remind you we're talking about video games so if you've seen or heard it described as dancing in an anime or movie, guess what? A video game is within poking distance of the same concept
    That's true... however, we are speaking specifically about an MMO which has a set and required lore behind each and every job, as well as a Tanking Meta that each specific Tank needs to be at least capable of upholding.
    In movies and Cartoons, they can use flashy choreography to allow the viewer to suspend your disbelief for the few seconds you are viewing the bull crap. It doesn't make sense, and they don't have to make it make sense for it to be visually entertaining. An MMO does not have that luxury. The screen is literally a cluster bomb of bright lights, text, and numbers. There is no way to make the Dancer appear to be suspending anyone's disbelief except putting up the words (Parry) over and over again. Now, does that mean they couldn't invent a convincing lore for it? Of course not. You're not wrong to say that the forms of media are within poking distance of one another, and it wouldn't be shocking for a game developer to fall back on silly whimsical nonsense, but that wouldn't make it look any more convincing. In practice, we'd have an idiot doing a tap dance in front of the boss and getting the living hell beaten out of them, and we'd be expected to believe that they were somehow not dying.

    More importantly there are certain aspects of the current tank meta that would be absurd to try and apply to Dancer tank. For one, with the exception of rare job specific sets, most Tanks share gear.... so, we're expecting someone who is light on their feet and elegant in their movements to be dancing around in clunky plate armour... really? Not only would this be visually ridiculous, but it wouldn't make sense with the skillset that a Dancer would likely need to employ to hold aggro, because all current and past tank gear are spec'd for physical hit and soak mechanics. That won't, and can't, change. They'd have to completely rebuild the armour database from lvl 1 up to 60. Not to mention the actual mechanics of the boss fights. Tanks are made to soak and recover, not avoid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leogun View Post
    I just think tank would work best for the pure dance theme since it could be about dancing out of harms way or distracting foes with your movements. Every other concept likely has some pseudo-magic effect for it to rely on.
    This is, actually, exactly the point. The tank meta works in such a way that you don't want your tank dancing out of harms way. You actually want them in harms way so that the rest of the party is not (specifically, imagine shared soak mechanics like in T11 or similar fights. Dancer would be so out of place they would never be used). Which is exactly why all of the current tank jobs are made to buff and soak, not avoid. Even a Dark Knight's Dark Dance ability works with this concept of soaking dmg. It's a mitigation that relies on deflection, true enough, but deflection implies impact. You only deflect a %. Hence, Dark Knights wear armour to protect their bodies.

    I'm not saying it wouldn't work, and SE will probably figure out a way just to prove me wrong. I can picture Dancer using mechanics that create stacking buffs to increase dmg/enmity potency for each successful parry or some silly nonsense like that, but SE would have to change a ridiculous number of things in the current tanking meta to get this concept to work out (Fixing Parry so it wasn't a tip toe shy of being useless would be the first among them). Personally, I think it's just too much trouble to try and make a job work with a meta that wasn't designed for it.
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    Last edited by Februs; 11-24-2015 at 06:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    Bahamut firing 5 akh morns at someone just standing there doing an elegant bomb dance
    More like "DNC tank using the equivalent of Viewtiful Dodge from MvC3 to dodge 5 akh morns in a row".
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    As a concept, I'm all over it! The most obvious weapon that comes to mind is fans, but what else could be used?
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    Hi everyone! I'm here seeking refuge from the shitstorm of PLD threads and folks raging about 7-man WAR clears. How's everyone doin'? What're we talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alisane View Post
    As a concept, I'm all over it! The most obvious weapon that comes to mind is fans, but what else could be used?
    Well if its a Dancer tank, its a no brainer, they need poles!

    *knee slap*

    But yeah, I'm wondering when/if they'll implement a job that uses a pole/melee staff, this seems like as good a fit as any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygian View Post
    Hi everyone! I'm here seeking refuge from the shitstorm of PLD threads and folks raging about 7-man WAR clears. How's everyone doin'? What're we talking about?



    Well if its a Dancer tank, its a no brainer, they need poles!

    *knee slap*

    But yeah, I'm wondering when/if they'll implement a job that uses a pole/melee staff, this seems like as good a fit as any.
    That would be a cool weapon to see eventually included... though they'd have to make it sufficiently different from Lancer/Drg.

    Shawls would be another possible Dancer weapon that has been mentioned. Kind of a gypsy thing, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygian View Post
    Well if its a Dancer tank, its a no brainer, they need poles!

    *knee slap*
    Haha! I just thought, a whip might make a good dancer weapon. Nimble and light. Or what about those things that one dancer girl used in Dynasty Warriors? They looked like balloons with a long handle. That might work too.
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