parse for ps4 users !

[Chif]

That's mean if you play on ps4 can't be hardcore + raiding, with out pc users help ??

[Gilraen]

Chif... stop while you're behind. You've eaten more shoes than can count. The high level raiding companies have been operating on consoles since before PS4 implementation and have been doing so with minimal input from third party software. It's become ad nauseaum at this point to keep saying, but you don't need a parser to improve, just knowledge and awareness. You gain knowledge from practice runs, and awareness from playing your role intelligently. Sure, you can find guides online about how to perform better, but those guides weren't written in a vacuum with only a parser to guide them by. Someone put in the practice to see what worked and what didn't in practical situations. If you can't do the same then I don't see how a parser will help you one bit.

[Malevicton]

I love how the argument 100% of the time goes:

Person 1: "Parsers are helpful. They give you extra information and make life easier."

Person 2: "What? You don't technically need them, why are you saying that? You're obviously an idiot!"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like, I could totally eat dinner without using a chair. It's not necessary to the dinner eating experience. But I'd much rather eat while sitting.

[sirDarts]

Chif... stop while you're behind. You've eaten more shoes than can count. The high level raiding companies have been operating on consoles since before PS4 implementation and have been doing so with minimal input from third party software. It's become ad nauseaum at this point to keep saying, but you don't need a parser to improve, just knowledge and awareness. You gain knowledge from practice runs, and awareness from playing your role intelligently. Sure, you can find guides online about how to perform better, but those guides weren't written in a vacuum with only a parser to guide them by. Someone put in the practice to see what worked and what didn't in practical situations. If you can't do the same then I don't see how a parser will help you one bit.

Yes, of course, a parser is just a tool that shows you where you're at, and whether your changes you are making while practicing are going in the right direction. It doesn't tell you what to do, it does not play the game for you, it just shows you how you are progressing.

Though, I would like to know which companies you are talking about when you saying that they don't need a parser. The majority of high level raid clears are done with at least one player being on PC and parsing, or by following a guide/video from a clear by a static that is parsing (all the "world's first" statics are definitely parsing).

[Gilraen]

Not saying the high level companies don't have access to third party software. Minimal isn't the same as 'not at all'. Chif's assertions, though, is that it's not even remotely possible without. He's been making said assertion this entire thread and refuses to believe that anyone can improve without a parser, even in the faces of those who have said in this thread they have. Bold-faced ignorance if ever I've seen it.

[Archaell]

Not saying the high level companies don't have access to third party software. Minimal isn't the same as 'not at all'. Chif's assertions, though, is that it's not even remotely possible without. He's been making said assertion this entire thread and refuses to believe that anyone can improve without a parser, even in the faces of those who have said in this thread they have. Bold-faced ignorance if ever I've seen it.

You need to understand one thing - Chif is a member of group of players that is right now at disadvantage, so no wonder he is frustrated and a little bit ignorant. Pc users have the choice to parse or not to parse (which bring issues of its own when you can see who is exploiting you for free tomes). PS users don't. They have to ask their PC friends for help and personally I would feel bad about having to bother somebody else whenever there is a new rotation to test out.

Acknowledgement of your points is nice and all, but it isn't going to remove his issue.

[Chif]

I'm no 208 in Alexander savage I need to be 1st place .
http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...Paladin&page=2
with out thise numpers how can you know your rank ? Parse show it to me .

[Chif]

Chif... stop while you're behind. You've eaten more shoes than can count.

I'm not eating shoes do you eat shoes ? Do you like eating shoes lol? Pls don't say any thing just keep eating shoes.

[Whiteroom]

I love how the argument 100% of the time goes:

Person 1: "Parsers are helpful. They give you extra information and make life easier."

Person 2: "What? You don't technically need them, why are you saying that? You're obviously an idiot!"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like, I could totally eat dinner without using a chair. It's not necessary to the dinner eating experience. But I'd much rather eat while sitting.

Stop imposing your chairs on the rest of us!

[Azazua_azura]

snipe

I'm not even saying that. I just know from experience what happens when ingame parser is added, ppl have e-peen constest on who can top dps

@ sirdarts

What you are failing to understand is the replies you the questions. As any raider keeps forgetting, you can't factually say people don't care about dps/how well people play in DF. From personal experience people do care. I was also stating personal opinion. People keep stating their is nothing to aid in their improvement, when that isn't true. Infact how parser get their data is where it comes from, the battle log.

@ jamain

my info/stuiff has never been about raiding, but the wish/will to improve your class. All a parser does it make the battke log info "easier to read" << subjective. Also your mixing up rotattion with adpaptation not your rotation isn't really changing persay but you are picking what part you use due to the mobs movements

Also I raided in ff11 for a lil but this was before windower and parser might i add, and people was clearing content, and the raids I did ha did have dps checks, as did some hnm. Alot of the prime avatar fights were a dps check cuz prior to gear additions all hell broke loose after the avatar used their 2 hr. Infact 1 raid syustem in ff11 called dynamis was initself a dps check cuz you had a limit time to clear it before you existed with only geting a few time exstentions. Pretty much you had to kill waves of mobs + mini boss mobs to pop the main boss which had to be kills or raid was a bust now granted this was before enrage timers were added in ff11,



and the argument is more people picking between a hammer and a nailgun

If you gonna use some non game related anology try to make sure you use a correct one Parser data come from the battle log, which does have chat log text connected to it. Parser just amakes the info "easier to read" by collectively presenting it as a damage per second ratio.

Also you do kinda gotta understansd that alot of ppl did infact comre from WoW which had crazy addons, which did infact tell you how to play. Ones that told you ur rotation for any given fight/spec, one told you where to stand in certain bosses/ mechanics, ones that told you to not stand in fire.

People got used to those addons and possible not used to playing w/o them here.

Also do kee-p in mind that I do know what I am talking about, i just have a hard time expressing it cuz of my Austism spectrum stuff. :/

Not fun, trying to share my opinion or give sound advice (which isn't bad advice as that was how this were done in early gaming) and being treated like crap over it.

The thing is though if you add tools to the game people will use them, it wouldn't matter if it was df, pf, raid content,non-raid content. People will use it to exclude players they find as bad in the eyes of what the tool says. It does happen already, I can't tell you how many times I have seen people kicked or belittled about how they play even when content is being cleared. Like i said before I was kicked out of neverreap though we was clearing it when i didn't put dots on 1 mob set.

I was put on blast as a fresh tank for not pulling fast enough.

You guys need to go back to history class on how humans think, we have no trouble excluding anyone for any reason.
It is also in poor taste to witch hunt people for "being carried" as long as the person isn't afk that are participating.

For me personally numbers in a game are arbitrary, as long as the mobs hp goes down at a decent rate i could care less about each party members personal dps.

the only thing that bugs me is when players are undergeared or use off role gear. (more talking archers with mage gear) which is basics of rpg. And even then i try to be nice about it abd only kick the person if they have a bad attitude.

Dps comes from an multiple factors: gear, stats, experience. Players who put out high numbers are those who are well geared, have good understanding of their job/role, and know the content extremely well. As in they are geared for the content know what to use, when to use it. They know when and where to dodge for all attacks.'

Players who pull low number's chances are they are still learning their job/role, still learning the content. But also some other factores as their net speed/ system set up may not be the greatest. In worst case senario, they are trolling or lazy.

I don't want ingame parser because I do not want to see the community turn into WoWs or DCUO or heck ff11 from 2009-2011, and become exlusionary even in df content, which would happen, anyone who denies this fact really shelters themselves from the rest of the community or didn't play enough mmo to notice.

And for me, i DISPISE being "carried" i think it is a hit in the taco to be carriedn, cuz i pride myself in being a gamer.

@ jamein

just a quick bit of info, you can't really judge the "top raiders" as "top dps" << subjective. For all you know the top dos players are non raiders on console, and just simply don't give a dam. Just because i don't use a parser (though i have used 1 before which you kinda keep missing) doesn't mean i don't know how they work. Thing is anything user-made is up to scrutiny. For all you know every parser you ever used has been incorrect based on improper coding, i personally would never take anything user made for face value.
Proof of that has been found from incorrect calculations of stat caps, to different parsers giving different numbers.

I rather get my info from the official battle log text over unofficial parser.