parse for ps4 users !

[Odett]

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

I have, and her points have been answered again and again. "Why do you need to know your number?" Because some players want to see how much damage they are doing, and yes, you can read your skills and understand how your job works, but there is so much more that can be answered outside of that. NIN is a great example for this. Mudra lag exists, and I'd like to know how much of it is getting in the way of my DPS. How can test out for myself, without a parser, if going the Fuma Shuriken route would increase or decrease my DPS?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, sometimes, honestly, because the following question keeps being brought up but there is never an answer to it. What do you do when nobody in a fight is dying, mechanics are done correctly, and you are still wiping? How do you find out why you are failing DPS checks in fights when everyone is alive? Why would you not want a way to measure DPS without splitting your head open with the combat log and see what the problem is, so you can fix it instead of starting the fight again after four+ wipes in the same section, not changing anything (because you can't figure out what the problem is) and expecting different results?

Also (unless they are posting as an alt, then I am very sorry), how much credibility can you give to a person who doesn't have a single DoW/DoM job at 60 and has absolutely zero first-hand experience with the current endgame content?

[LaylaTsarra]

I have, and her points have been answered again and again.

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or the OP who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add. If you aren't pro parser in here you aren't welcome obviously and there have been plenty of reasoned replies as to why parsers would be an issue in places like duty finder. It doesn't take many people to make the playing field toxic and I strongly believe that if they are approved that is exactly what will happen. The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

[Archaell]

The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

The assumption that negatives outweight the positives is why many people are opposed to them. Fixed it for ya.

[Odett]

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or the OP who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add. If you aren't pro parser in here you aren't welcome obviously and there have been plenty of reasoned replies as to why parsers would be an issue in places like duty finder. It doesn't take many people to make the playing field toxic and I strongly believe that if they are approved that is exactly what will happen. The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

You read my post and that's all you got out of it?

The only reason why so many players are repeating themselves is because their questions are always conveniently left unanswered (like you just did right now).

[Whiteroom]

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or the OP who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add. If you aren't pro parser in here you aren't welcome obviously and there have been plenty of reasoned replies as to why parsers would be an issue in places like duty finder. It doesn't take many people to make the playing field toxic and I strongly believe that if they are approved that is exactly what will happen. The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

Could you list the negatives and positives as you see them? In point form. I believe we know most of the reasons behind each point this far into the thread.
I'm actually really interested in what you see in them, that you would rate them as being more negative than positive.

And please....... stop using level and endgame as part of credibility. thats just stupid.

Tbh, it does lend a little bit of credibility. It shows that you actually play all of the content, and therfore can understand better what people are saying when the referance certian content to make a point. It also shows that you have put in at least bit of time to your classes and should have a better understanding of how each role opperates in each bit of content. It would probably take less time and effort to take a clss from 50-60, than she has put into this thread is a bit telling. Now obviously we don't know how hard she played the game prior to HW, but it is a little extreme to not have one of the jobs fully leveled by now. So well it is not the be all and end all of credibility. It can be a bit telling.

[Sapphic]

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so anti parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add.

As stated, a LOT of toxicity comes because of players underperforming to the content requirements and stopping players from clearing content. As since I first saw parsers in EQ1 I have only had one case of getting called out on my results, when I decided to try DPS for the first time.

Then in numerous MMOs which use parsers I have NEVER seen this imagined toxicity that anti-parser users keep throwing out there.

Addon support IS coming, according to SE. So you better get used to getting a parser as that WILL be one of the first addons created for it.

you guys ignore the answers simple as that.

You pass off pro parser stuff as fact when it isn't, its all assumption and conjecture.

Yet you are passing off your assumption, conjecture and personal opinon as be all and end all fact. Your opinions are not more valid than anyone elses unless you have solid, tangible proof to refute it. Which you have not. Only personal opinion/experience. My personal experience with MMOs that incorporated parsers in one form or another are contrary to yours and just because it is contrary does not make an assumption or conjecture.

You saying it will cause more toxicity is conjecture as you cannot predict the future, you can only base you opinions on experience and as commonly the case, biase.

[Kosmos992k]

Also (unless they are posting as an alt, then I am very sorry), how much credibility can you give to a person who doesn't have a single DoW/DoM job at 60 and has absolutely zero first-hand experience with the current endgame content?

Ah, once again, people belittling others rather than addressing points made.

This isn't an alt, I don't have any class/job at 60, and I've already stated why that is the case, I don't feel the need to do so again. What you are saying though is really wrong. You don't need a lvl 60 class/job to know about endgame content, or how you can develop a decent skill rotation. It seems many have forgotten that the ARR level cap was 50, and i have 5 classes/jobs at 50. I don't like end-game content in this game, I dislike the stress it induces on tanks and healers. However, I fail to see how my opinions can lack credibility because I don't have a level 60 job/class yet. The day before HW lanched you and I would both have had lvl 50 characters, would my opinion bear any less weight then? No, it wouldn't, so why should it now. You make it sound like something special happens between 50 and 60 that makes someone's opinion about parser use somehow more relevant than another. What a load of rubbish. If knowing how to learn your skills or develope a good rotation is now dependent on being level 60, how did anyone do it?

I've repeated stated I'm not talking about end-game content in any case, so whether I have done any end-game content in this game is irrelevant, of course this isn't my first mmorpg or rpg, and I dare say I've played RPGs in one form or another longer than many forum posters have been alive. Be that as it may, in this discussion and others before it, people have claimed over and over that parsers are necessary to overcome dps check in non-end-game content. I have stated quite a large number of times that I can see a role for such a tool when trying to overcome a specific dps check in end-game content. So I'm really not sure why you wish to harp on about my completion of any end game content, that would be highly relevsnt if I was commenting on end-game specifics, but since I'm not...

Still, thank you so much for switching to ad hominem mode, I do so love character assasination by Lodestone. I always wonder why it is that people switch to attacking me, perhaps it's because they can't argue my points, and so attempting to discredit me is an easier option?

[Eye_Gore]

However, I fail to see how my opinions can lack credibility because I don't have a level 60 job/class yet.

Its like that guy at work that has to tell someone every day how long he's been doing it for. Makes them feel just a bit more important. Anyways though, its too much stress on the system. Can't get one more retainer due to limitations imagine what a group wide parser would do.

[Whiteroom]

Still, thank you so much for switching to ad hominem mode, I do so love character assasination by Lodestone. I always wonder why it is that people switch to attacking me, perhaps it's because they can't argue my points, and so attempting to discredit me is an easier option?

Tbh, after pages of you ignoring all points against yours, making blanket statements, showing extreme bias, and intentinally misinterpting arguments, is it any wonder that people start wondering where you are viewing this from?

I think you need to learn more about human nature.

Also, this was the first thing you said to me in a parser thread, well reasoned counter? Or personal attack aimed at discrediting?

[Kosmos992k]

Tbh, after pages of you ignoring all points against yours, making blanket statements, showing extreme bias, and intentinally misinterpting arguments, is it any wonder that people start wondering where you are viewing this from?

Ignoring all points against mine? I've only ever replied to others in this topic, and were appropriate responded to their reply to me. You may categorize my replies however you wish, I could counter by pointing out how hostile you are right now.

Also, this was the first thing you said to me in a parser thread, well reasoned counter? Or personal attack aimed at discrediting?

Well reasoned counter given that you were completely ignoring the impact of human nature with regard to both parser mis-use and how people react to criticism.