parse for ps4 users !

[Archaell]

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I think that by now we have estabilished that Chif wants to be the best - to clear the content first.

Have any of the world first groups claimed that they done it without the parser? I totally admit assumption on my part, but I find it highly unlikely.

btw. I would also blame the language barrier for a part of Chif's straightforwardness.

[Odett]

That's not my only post in this or any other of these discussions. Though I can't help the irony of your post.

I'd be entertained if you could give us your view on Chif's words as quoted in my post.

I've stated a few pages back about how I am for the implementation of parsers to PS4 players, but I don't agree with Chif, so there's your answer to that. I'm not sure why my post is ironic, seeing as I posted something else in this page that no one has bothered to reply to, and sirDarts brought up very good points in their post as well, yet you choose to ignore those and instead focus on posts that have added nothing useful to this thread.

[LaylaTsarra]

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

[Jim_Berry]

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

[Whiteroom]

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

Tbh, she has ignored everything that refutes her points. And has taken offense to constructive critism at her half baked ideas. She intentionally makes suggestions that would actually make parsers more prone to abuse, and then basically says "see, you even admit that people will rampantly abuse them!", when you point these things out. If you offer a totally reasonable suggestion that would make hers work, she ignores it or intentionally misinterpets it.

At first I took it as an extreme bias, based on a parents protective instinct, something I can fully understand, even if I dont agree with her view. But as I have read her posts I have been leaning to more selfish reasons. People have been reading them, at least at the start, and refuting each one. After the above listed behaviour, along with a few condecending and backhanded "I'm done!" posts, is it any wonder effort is not put into responding.

Tbh, I don't agree for a second with Chifs reasoning, and think very little of him. Though I think a lot of it is a language barrier thing on his part, he could probably try a bit harder to make his points clear. But as is, to me he represents a mirror to kosmos. He sees only what he wants and posts it, ignoring any good points and spraying ingnorant blab all ver his posts.

I think it's good to have him talk though, as I feel he is of that small crowd that would be rough with them and working off of half truths an no longer important info to make his assumptions. That he is one of so few to speak that way highlights the difference from being pro-parser and your a-hole elitest. Also he demosrates perfectly the additude you would see from one of them versus someone using it to properly evaluate troublesome runs.

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

It shows more than just that as well. I can't remember how many pages there are, three or four. DCUOs has the glaring issue of not showning the class or role either. Also, each job can swap between dps and their support role, so that can skew your reading of it, if you werent in the run. One here would be much more clear, if only for not being able to swap roles. I can't remember if one of the pages actually has a dps stat or not though. You can pull it up at any time to see how each persons numbers moved after a boss or mob though.

You can view this one at any time, its just much more clumsy than an overlay. I took part in a couple of discussions of it while I played the game and there were numerous suggestions for improvement. It was an example of a clumsy scoreboard that you really had to understand to read.

[Odett]

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

I have, and her points have been answered again and again. "Why do you need to know your number?" Because some players want to see how much damage they are doing, and yes, you can read your skills and understand how your job works, but there is so much more that can be answered outside of that. NIN is a great example for this. Mudra lag exists, and I'd like to know how much of it is getting in the way of my DPS. How can test out for myself, without a parser, if going the Fuma Shuriken route would increase or decrease my DPS?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, sometimes, honestly, because the following question keeps being brought up but there is never an answer to it. What do you do when nobody in a fight is dying, mechanics are done correctly, and you are still wiping? How do you find out why you are failing DPS checks in fights when everyone is alive? Why would you not want a way to measure DPS without splitting your head open with the combat log and see what the problem is, so you can fix it instead of starting the fight again after four+ wipes in the same section, not changing anything (because you can't figure out what the problem is) and expecting different results?

Also (unless they are posting as an alt, then I am very sorry), how much credibility can you give to a person who doesn't have a single DoW/DoM job at 60 and has absolutely zero first-hand experience with the current endgame content?

[Odett]

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

the problem lies when a fight isn't being completed due to lack of DPS. A scoreboard at the end of a fight is just a nice "by the way" thing, but it would do nothing to fix issues where a fight isn't being completed in the first place.

[LaylaTsarra]

I have, and her points have been answered again and again.

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or the OP who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add. If you aren't pro parser in here you aren't welcome obviously and there have been plenty of reasoned replies as to why parsers would be an issue in places like duty finder. It doesn't take many people to make the playing field toxic and I strongly believe that if they are approved that is exactly what will happen. The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

[Azazua_azura]

you guys ignore the answers simple as that.

You pass off pro parser stuff as fact when it isn't, its all assumption and conjecture.

I don't want a parser cuz i don't want DF to be excluded even more then it is now, And its people like sirdarts who i rather not see (look at the thread over a suggestion to add more party finder tools alot of their replies have been add a parser and excluding players) with a parse in their hands. Its basic human nature and should be understood that given the tools people will exclude othes.


And please....... stop using level and endgame as part of credibility. thats just stupid.

not everyone uses their main characters to post on the forums.

And the parser just present data already avalible ina game as a ratio. You can read individual hits to see who low. because a ratio is just the sum of the calculation over the progress of time. (aka damage per second) You guys act so smart and good, but you need a tool to factor in a ratio of already presented data.

I don't read numbers well due to my disability so i have mine turned off, but there is no real excuise why a bunch of hardcore pro gamers can't do on the fly ratio calculatuions with battle log text. Ratio are not hard to figure out, and this is from someone who sucks at math.

What people don't like is a set of players forcing their playstyle on others. Not everyone wants or needs a parser for all different reason, and so far when we say our side we are insulted, going as far as being called a troll. Or saying we can't have an opinion if we don't have a lvl 60 or been in alex savage.

No offence but ingame group parser will effect everyone if it gets added, wouldn't matter if its raid content or not. And enough of you guys have blatently stated stuff that comes off that you want to exclude players in DF, I've been lerking on these forums since 1.0, and remember a good bit of each persons post.

To be honest, i think its a weakness to play a game with third party tools, i never take anyone who uses a third party tools as a serious gamer. Much like anyone who used a game shark and acts pro.
some people here act like their addicted to third party tools, and MUST have them to play a video game. To the point where they force it on everyone.

Sorry I don't want a tool forced on me, if that not a good enough reason for yall. Then i suggest play a pc only mmo. Cuz I'm honestly sick and tired of this mindset that you need tools to play a video game. Video games are not that hard, seems more like you guys don't wanna practice to get better you need a tool to win.

Now who is the more lazy person, a person who uses a parser to limit practicing content? Or a player who practices content and masters it.

[Archaell]

The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.

The assumption that negatives outweight the positives is why many people are opposed to them. Fixed it for ya.