parse for ps4 users !

[Gilraen]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

[Sove92]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

[Kosmos992k]

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time

I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

[Odett]

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.



I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

[Kosmos992k]

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

That's not my only post in this or any other of these discussions. Though I can't help the irony of your post.

I'd be entertained if you could give us your view on Chif's words as quoted in my post.

[Odett]

That's not my only post in this or any other of these discussions. Though I can't help the irony of your post.

I'd be entertained if you could give us your view on Chif's words as quoted in my post.

I've stated a few pages back about how I am for the implementation of parsers to PS4 players, but I don't agree with Chif, so there's your answer to that. I'm not sure why my post is ironic, seeing as I posted something else in this page that no one has bothered to reply to, and sirDarts brought up very good points in their post as well, yet you choose to ignore those and instead focus on posts that have added nothing useful to this thread.

[LaylaTsarra]

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

[Whiteroom]

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

Tbh, she has ignored everything that refutes her points. And has taken offense to constructive critism at her half baked ideas. She intentionally makes suggestions that would actually make parsers more prone to abuse, and then basically says "see, you even admit that people will rampantly abuse them!", when you point these things out. If you offer a totally reasonable suggestion that would make hers work, she ignores it or intentionally misinterpets it.

At first I took it as an extreme bias, based on a parents protective instinct, something I can fully understand, even if I dont agree with her view. But as I have read her posts I have been leaning to more selfish reasons. People have been reading them, at least at the start, and refuting each one. After the above listed behaviour, along with a few condecending and backhanded "I'm done!" posts, is it any wonder effort is not put into responding.

Tbh, I don't agree for a second with Chifs reasoning, and think very little of him. Though I think a lot of it is a language barrier thing on his part, he could probably try a bit harder to make his points clear. But as is, to me he represents a mirror to kosmos. He sees only what he wants and posts it, ignoring any good points and spraying ingnorant blab all ver his posts.

I think it's good to have him talk though, as I feel he is of that small crowd that would be rough with them and working off of half truths an no longer important info to make his assumptions. That he is one of so few to speak that way highlights the difference from being pro-parser and your a-hole elitest. Also he demosrates perfectly the additude you would see from one of them versus someone using it to properly evaluate troublesome runs.

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

It shows more than just that as well. I can't remember how many pages there are, three or four. DCUOs has the glaring issue of not showning the class or role either. Also, each job can swap between dps and their support role, so that can skew your reading of it, if you werent in the run. One here would be much more clear, if only for not being able to swap roles. I can't remember if one of the pages actually has a dps stat or not though. You can pull it up at any time to see how each persons numbers moved after a boss or mob though.

You can view this one at any time, its just much more clumsy than an overlay. I took part in a couple of discussions of it while I played the game and there were numerous suggestions for improvement. It was an example of a clumsy scoreboard that you really had to understand to read.

[Odett]

You certainly haven't been reading his or her posts. I would venture to say they been some of the more reasoned and well thought out posts here. Try taking the time to actually read them.

I have, and her points have been answered again and again. "Why do you need to know your number?" Because some players want to see how much damage they are doing, and yes, you can read your skills and understand how your job works, but there is so much more that can be answered outside of that. NIN is a great example for this. Mudra lag exists, and I'd like to know how much of it is getting in the way of my DPS. How can test out for myself, without a parser, if going the Fuma Shuriken route would increase or decrease my DPS?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, sometimes, honestly, because the following question keeps being brought up but there is never an answer to it. What do you do when nobody in a fight is dying, mechanics are done correctly, and you are still wiping? How do you find out why you are failing DPS checks in fights when everyone is alive? Why would you not want a way to measure DPS without splitting your head open with the combat log and see what the problem is, so you can fix it instead of starting the fight again after four+ wipes in the same section, not changing anything (because you can't figure out what the problem is) and expecting different results?

Also (unless they are posting as an alt, then I am very sorry), how much credibility can you give to a person who doesn't have a single DoW/DoM job at 60 and has absolutely zero first-hand experience with the current endgame content?

[LaylaTsarra]

I have, and her points have been answered again and again.

Oh you mean like the half dozen or so pro parsers in here who repeat themselves on a daily basis or the OP who continually and shamelessly bumps this thread daily with little or nothing new to add. If you aren't pro parser in here you aren't welcome obviously and there have been plenty of reasoned replies as to why parsers would be an issue in places like duty finder. It doesn't take many people to make the playing field toxic and I strongly believe that if they are approved that is exactly what will happen. The negatives to implementing official parsers outweigh the positives and is why many people are opposed to them.