parse for ps4 users !

[Chif]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .I know ppl afraid from parse because they can't doing good dps and ppl will kick them as some ppl said ... Raiding ppl have parse already, screenshot ppl don't want it , I need answers from SE. if they not addit ,changing for pc ,easy for me .if they addit ineedit ppl who want to improve skills need it .as I said before this parse not lligle but 90% from pc user use it . I want ps4 user have all options same as pc to clear content if the parse not important why raiding ppl use it ????

[Odett]

Generally, shit happens and you have to look at the fight from more than just the angle of the 'DPS check'. I, personally, never give up on a fight until everyone gives up and by that time, well, everyone's given up so there's no point pointing fingers at anyone.

Did you do Ramuh EX when it came out? How many times have you attempted Bismarck EX, even now with a MUCH higher average iLv between players? Did you do SCoB when it was relevant, or Final Coil? Have you walked into Alex Savage? I'm not trying to attack you, but instead provide examples of fights that had the potential to be very difficult at the time of release due to DPS checks not being met.

How many groups did you encounter that couldn't clear Ramuh's ads before his 1hko attack?

How many times has a BisEX group wiped during the 2 flying serpents, or has had to deal with an surplus of ads in the last phase because the group couldn't kill them in time in order to keep up with the new waves?

When SCoB was new, how many times did Raflessia have to be moved because the bulb in the middle wasn't killed in time? How many times did your group wipe because the superslime wasn't killed fast enough?

How many times did you get a third Heavensfall in T9, or didn't have the DPS to reach a clean transition into the last phase without a Ghost up? How many times was the tank shit out of luck because the first phase was dragged on for too long and they ran out of cooldowns to mitigate Ravensbeak and Raven's Blight?

How many times did you wipe on Imdugud when it came out because there wasn't enough DPS on the ads and he got too many charges?

How many times did you wipe on T12 because the Benus weren't killed in time during the ad phase before the last phase?

How many times did you wipe on T13 because the ad phase wasn't being handled fast enough?

How many times have you wiped in any turn of Alex Savage because every single one requires a high standard of DPS and it wasn't met?

I have provided examples of harder content, but you can even look at easier stuff when it came out, and the sheer number of people that had trouble with the first boss of Pharos Sirius, or the last boss of Haukke Manor HM when it was released, or the second boss of Sastasha HM where he would get too many determination stacks from his gun shooting mechanic, or the second boss of Qarn HM, where enough damage wasn't caused to interrupt its needle attack. You can even look at fights like the last boss of the Vault, where 2 underperforming players will drag on the fight for ages and make the healer's job extremely taxing.

You're describing content like Alex Normal where the group has to be REALLY, REALLY, EXTREMELY bad nowadays in order to wipe from an enrage. I had a group last week on Alex 1 NM where we cleared it with 3 DPS because the fourth one d/ced at the start of the fight and never came back (that's 1 DPS on the Oppressor, 1 on .5, and a ranged switching between the two based on HP percentages). I't not about not looking at fights from the angle of a DPS check, because many fights ARE DPS checks, plain and simple. You can't dismiss fights like the ones I provided above, and it's not my duty either to keep tabs on the performance of DPS players by checking for DoT's, debuffs, buffs, and cast times.

It has been said many times now agan and again, but tanks and healers are expected to perform at a certain level in this game, but oftentimes, DPS players don't share this responsibility according to the general community, especially in a metagame where tanks are often expected to rock Strength accessories. It's a double standard that healers and tanks must perform above a certain threshold, a threshold which has been set much lower for DPS players by the community, to the point where many players see decent DPS output (I repeat, decent, not min-maxing) as a luxury instead of a basic expectation. It is absolutely no secret why the most difficult fights in this game are centered around the DPS player having the most responsibility.

[Malevicton]

@ malevicton

again that has been done well before the internet so you can't state that is factually true.

please you guys sound rediculous, you guys come off and act like parser are the end all be all and act like gaming and rpg didn't exist befor parser. Even table top rpg players therory craft.

You know stat weights for table top rpgs don't work the same way, right? I've played a lot of them lol, I'm familiar with how they work; but theorycrafting then and now is apples and oranges. They aren't the same systems at all, so comparing them just doesn't work. It's literally impossible to just math out the stat weights. You need sample data from multiple sets to figure out the formulas SE uses.

[Gilraen]

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time .

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

[Sove92]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

[Odett]

This is what I mean by 'eating shoes'... people clear new content without the help of parsers all the time. It's called learning by doing and falls under the purview of knowledge. The idea is simple, go in and learn the mechanics. Once you have the mechanics down it becomes much easier. One of Odett's own examples is a prime... example of learning the dungeon. Pharos Sirius, which I never beat as healer before the nerf, was the healer's dungeon. It was really hard on the healer and before the nerf required you learn the mechanics of the fights really well. I was only really able to beat it as Bard where I could keep the puppies busy to the side, pick off the right eggs and keep Siren's mouth shut. And this was before the nerfs. And never did anyone talk about low DPS in any of my runs.

Your have solid points, but you cannot use 4 person content and the Normal mode version of a raid while ignoring everything else (like all the fights I listed above). The DPS required for current 8 person raiding content is much higher than any of the examples you've listed. DPS checks exist in this game, and wiping due to failed DPS checks on current raid content is a very real thing. Once people learn mechanics, there are no deaths, and certain sections of the fight are still not being cleared, or the boss reaches the enrage timer, trust me when I say that things can get very frustrating if you don't have a means of finding out why. Why is it frustrating? Because no one is dying, it seems like you're doing everything you're supposed to, but you keep losing. With a parser, if low DPS is a problem after all this, then you can start working on that and addressing that. Realizing "my damage is a bit low compared to everyone else's" or "all we gotta do now is have this person improve their DPS" can bring positivity to this occurrence, because this knowledge gives you something to work towards and a hope that fixing this problem will net you a victory, instead of the very frustrating "we seem to be doing everything right, yet we keep wiping again and again. What do?".

[sirDarts]

I haven't been in many groups where a 'DPS check' not being met was the result of someone slacking. I was in some of the early Alexander runs and there were a few where we wiped to Self Destruct, but it wasn't because of slacking. At least, not outright slacking. Sometimes one DD would be left with two spiders while the other DD on that particular boss just kept wailing on the boss, causing that one DD observing mechanics to get Mini'd. Or the one holding the spiders would receive the blessing of RNGesus and get bombed while trying to kill the spiders. Generally, shit happens and you have to look at the fight from more than just the angle of the 'DPS check'. I, personally, never give up on a fight until everyone gives up and by that time, well, everyone's given up so there's no point pointing fingers at anyone.

Of course there can be various reasons why a DPS check failed, it doesn't have to be someone slacking.
But even then, a parser points you into the right direction.

When My FC did Bismarck EX for the first time, we noticed that one of the BLM was doing rather low DPS thanks to a parser (he didn't notice). It was because of mechanics, not because he didn't want to perform, so we gave him pointers, where he can mostly stand in one place, and it went way better (we didn't clear in the end because we failed 3rd phase, but at least we got to the 3rd phase...).
You can't notice stuff like that without a parser.

Or lets say you fail Faust in Alex Savage, that's a DPS check that has ZERO mechanics, you just stand there and beat on him. Without a parser it's REALLY hard to see who needs help (be it more optimal rotation, better gear, or buffs).

Or lets say you are playing AST - Balance is % based, so it's worth more to put it on the player who does the most DPS. How are you supposed to know that without a parser? Keep in mind that the difference can easily be more than 100 DPS, which can be "make or break" in many DPS checks.

[Kosmos992k]

Because dps totally matters in casual content.

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.

Ppl clear new content because they are useing parse with out parse no 1 can clear any new content on time

I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

[Odett]

LOL @ calling pre-nerf Pharos Sirius casual.



I have to say that this is one of the most ignorant and insulting things I've seen on this forum in a long time. Please just stop posting BS like this. The idea that players without a parser are no good and can't clear content is simply asinine. You detract greatly from the position of parser advocates every time you post something like this.

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

[Kosmos992k]

So you ignore every constructive post about the advantages of parsers and instead choose to reply to these types of responses. How are you contributing to this thread?

That's not my only post in this or any other of these discussions. Though I can't help the irony of your post.

I'd be entertained if you could give us your view on Chif's words as quoted in my post.