parse for ps4 users !

[Azazua_azura]

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Thats assumption theory crafting has been in rpg since before the internet. And which person you are refering to? Parser help all classes out from dps to healing to tanking or so people claim.

@ malevicton

again that has been done well before the internet so you can't state that is factually true.

please you guys sound rediculous, you guys come off and act like parser are the end all be all and act like gaming and rpg didn't exist befor parser. Even table top rpg players therory craft.

In most cases herer people mix up "learning to play" with "learning the content" none of which needs a parser, and just requires practice. Which you don't even need to see numbers to. Just playing, reacting, adapting gets content beat which all you need is the mobs hp bar up SE even added the % so you can figure out what % mobs do their moves.



@ ac
I just want to point out that most ice mages or petrified monks are just trolls getting under your skin. More so if they claim its RP reasons.

@ thread

Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them. And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything, when gaming has been around before the internet.

unless this was a pc only game, none of your arguments hold water. Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

[Archaell]

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I am going to ignore the ridiculous part of your post - as somebody else will be more than happy to get through it - and ask you a simple question.

People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Do you consider this to be harassment?

[Eidolon]

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

A few things:

Most FC's in private that do serious endgame will request a parse. This is to test the player and make sure they at least understand the basics of their own rotation - but this is often for serious raiding free companies.


There is little to no difference between "Must be able to parse X" and "Must be able to clear Y." The only difference I see is that someone might get carried through a clear on "Must be able to clear Y" because they know the mechanics but not their own role and how to optimize it (I've had BLM's doing 600 DPS on A1S who has the earrings drops. That bad. We almost cleared because we had two WAR's decked with STR gear but came up short.)

Using a parser is a gameplay style and should not be considered a negative thing.
Using a parser to harass is a choice of trolls and should not be tolerated.
Players who harass should not be the determinant on the rest of the game. That is punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority.

[Chif]

@ thread
Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them. And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.
Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything, when gaming has been around before the internet.

unless this was a pc only game, none of your arguments hold water. Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

Stop harassment pls .

[MentheusDreyar]

@ thread

Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them.

And it's ignorant of you to assume everyone will misuse that tool just because the possibility exists. Again baseless fearmongering.

And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.

There we go again, trying to state your assumptions are fact.

And i'll say it once again to drill it into your ignorant head, parser's are NOT a ban-able offense, targeting and abusing players with the data is, go ahead and report us for using one, nothing will happen without proving we are legitimately harassing other players with it. Otherwise based on your "logic" and i use that term extremely loosely, all the world first teams would have been banned long ago.

Now i've played all these MMO's you keep drawing your "experience" from, and i can say i very rarely encountered the kind of behavior you seem to be convinced will happen all the time. From an outside perspective those who cause the problems are far more likely to encounter them. Think on that for a minute

All your "experience" is, is a biased POV. Experience holds no weight without being able to back it up with facts and data.

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Again, trying to say your assumptions are facts, a perfect display of ignorance. No one is claiming people won't abuse it, but it will mostly be the people who are currently abusing others that do so. So ultimately nothing will really change in that regard. Not to mention people in general in this community can't take the tiniest bit of criticism without calling it harassment, which it plain isn't. And trust me, a large amount of "harassment" in this game is actually taking criticism way out of proportion and only they see it as harassment.

I haven't even heard of someone getting banned for using parser data to help someone, hell i do it all the time, as it's clear from anyone with an ounce of common sense that it's not abuse of a parser. I'm still waiting on my ban from SE

The "abuse" and "harassment" is a biased POV of the person under criticism.

Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

Encountered almost zero harassment and abuse in Aion and DCUO, only those who actually deserved it. So i'd call your "experience" biased at best. Personal experience doesn't hold any weight in an argument unless you can back it up with actual factual data.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything,

Wait so you're admitting you are ignorant? Because that statement as basically a summary of your entire argument right there , you suddenly go from "parser causes all toxicity in games they shouldn't be in" to admitting it's ignorant to think they do? If you're gonna troll at least keep your story straight...

Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

No one is saying this? What baseless assumption are you working off now? Seriously, i'm starting to think you really are a troll as i can't actually believe someone can be this ignorant.

Players who harass should not be the determinant on the rest of the game. That is punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority.

Which sadly no one seems to be able to understand.

[Malevicton]

@ malevicton

again that has been done well before the internet so you can't state that is factually true.

please you guys sound rediculous, you guys come off and act like parser are the end all be all and act like gaming and rpg didn't exist befor parser. Even table top rpg players therory craft.

You know stat weights for table top rpgs don't work the same way, right? I've played a lot of them lol, I'm familiar with how they work; but theorycrafting then and now is apples and oranges. They aren't the same systems at all, so comparing them just doesn't work. It's literally impossible to just math out the stat weights. You need sample data from multiple sets to figure out the formulas SE uses.