parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

You're failing to take into account that at least one person from of those teams was almost certainly

Only 'almost'? So, you didn't talk to every team that downed turn 5 to tell if they used a parser? So, in that case, post proof or retract your claim.

parsing when the content was new given the odds virtually all statics have at least 1 PC player. Once the world firsts and those following within the month had come in and basically told everyone what to do chances are less, but generally statics do have one person parsing if one is available.

I see, it's pure assumption on your part? Oh, I wasn't talking about world or server first, just the act of clearing turn 5 before it went all duty finder on us.

Not necessary no, but an indispensable tool to find out where you stand and help fine tune your level of play, don't forget where all the optimal rotations everyone uses come from, parsers and yes these rotations are considered "playing well"

Optimal rotations come from theorycrafting and practice, it's kind of sad to me that the only way you seem to be able to believe players can develope skill and good skill rotations is to listen to a parser.

Specific uses for only end game content? yeah.... try any kind of trial that has a form on DPS check when it's new, for example Bismark HM and EX for many players. Can't see where a parser is helpful there? or would you rather bang your head pointlessly against a wall with little progress rather than use a tool to help you find out whats wrong in detail?

No offense, but I said; "I can see that if there is a specific dps check in a specific piece of end game content, a parser is a tool that would help identify specific things that the team could do to improve their collective dps, but that is a specific circumstance." Doesn't that say that I can see where people might find it useful? So what's your beef.

Yes because all content that involves a DPS check is standing still hitting a dummy primal/<insert enemy of your choice> with no form of mechanics or need to move...

Hint that's sarcasm If you really believe that you are very naive or ignorant.

No, really? Sarcasm? I never would have guessed, I'm so glad you told me, or else I might have taken offence at your implied insult of ignorance. But hey, I'll let it go fornow. Tell me something. If you parse the same fight twice with different players and jobs, does it look the same? Given the different parameters of each fight I don't see how it can. The point being that to prefect a rotation, you don't need to be dodging mechanics that interrupt combos or positionals. Frankly with all the movement and dodging yourperfect rotation isn't happening, you have to adapt tocircumstance, and that requires learning through experience. A parser won't teach you that. Learning a proper rotation doesn't require a parser either. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

[ShanaShirayuki]

Learning a proper rotation doesn't require a parser either. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

Proper rotations came from parsing. All these guides you read, all these video guides you watch, all these threads or posts on how to DPS, all of them have a root in parsing. Sure trial and error as well as experience come into play with these guides, but parsing is just as valuable as the aforementioned, since knowing when your abilities will do the highest amount of DPS is key against enrage/DPS checks. Also you mentioned theorycrafting earlier, which is all about numbers... which a parser is all about.

[Kosmos992k]

Proper rotations came from parsing. All these guides you read, all these video guides you watch, all these threads or posts on how to DPS, all of them have a root in parsing. Sure trial and error as well as experience come into play with these guides, but parsing is just as valuable as the aforementioned, since knowing when your abilities will do the highest amount of DPS is key against enrage/DPS checks. Also you mentioned theorycrafting earlier, which is all about numbers... which a parser is all about.

Yeah, right. Instead of taking the information given in the skill descriptions, and using their experience during play, everyone who wrote a guide just closed their eyes and let the parser do it for them... It's honestly flabbergasting to me how many people put such stock in parsers that they can't imagine how to improve without one, so much so that they presume that anyone who is 'good' must have used a parser. I don't read guides BTW, I learn by experience and knowing the skills. Theorycrafting is about looking at the skills and working out how to use them best, when to use buffs, what circumstances to use a particular interrupt, and so on, yes it's a lot of numbers, so what, it's players using their intelligence to work out the best combinations of skills in different circumstances, not simply focusing on your parsed dps, or how you get that last 10th of a point.

[Archaell]

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You two make me chuckle. ^^

Of course you don't need parser for creating rotations and stuff. Theorycrafting is just solid math and knowledge application.

I would say tho that for real combat situations parser combined with a video footage makes it hella easier to work on theorycraft... but theorycrafters are usually better players anyways so that's not really important.

We should focus more on our ice mages and petrified monks. Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips do math to calculate optimal rotations? I don't think so... nor they would read up guides about their class. In this regard parser doesn't work as much as tool for theorycrafting, but more like motivator to actually read up about their job. Nothing motivates you as much as seeing how much you suck... and also the fear of being "harassed".

[ShanaShirayuki]

But parsing is one of the many things used in theorycrafting, which in turn is used in all these guides the Anti Parsing crowd keep referring to. Also, I don't take much stock in someone who doesn't even have a level 60 DPS, much less a combat class, advice on improvement.

[Kosmos992k]

But parsing is one of the many things used in theorycrafting, which in turn is used in all these guides the Anti Parsing crowd keep referring to. Also, I don't take much stock in someone who doesn't even have a level 60 DPS, much less a combat class, advice on improvement.

Ah, excellent, belittle your opponent, what a productive and helpful strategy. You dont need a level 60 dps class to understand improvement. Apparently in ARR, the level cap was 50, so by your logic no one then was allowed an opinion about improvement? That would have been a shock tothose completing coil on a console.

Oh, by the way, the only times I have refered to a guide in anypost was replying to a parser advocate claiming that guides onleexist because of parsers. Look, if you and anyone else wants to continueto push a line that essentially says you are no good if you don't use a parser, or you can't improve without one, go right aheaf, just don't be surprised when players who don't parse get annoyed. Go ahead and use your crutch, just don't hit anyone over the head with it.

We should focus more on our ice mages and petrified monks. Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips do math to calculate optimal rotations? I don't think so... nor they would read up guides about their class. In this regard parser doesn't work as much as tool for theorycrafting, but more like motivator to actually read up about their job. Nothing motivates you as much as seeing how much you suck... and also the fear of being "harassed".

Would players who sometimes don't even bother to read tooltips listen to advice on improvement from someone brandishing parser numbers? I think not, sad as it is, players who won't read about their skills are unlikely to care enough about things to improve.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Oh, by the way, the only times I have refered to a guide in anypost was replying to a parser advocate claiming that guides onleexist because of parsers. Look, if you and anyone else wants to continueto push a line that essentially says you are no good if you don't use a parser, or you can't improve without one, go right aheaf, just don't be surprised when players who don't parse get annoyed. Go ahead and use your crutch, just don't hit anyone over the head with it.

I never said to be a good player you need a parser. Honestly now, is putting words in my mouth the only rebuttal you can come up with? I even mentioned that parsing is JUST AS valuable as experience, trial and error, whatever you want to call it. How does that imply that parsing is the be-all end-all? Where did you come up with the assumption that someone is a bad player if they don't use a parser in my response?

Also, your lack of a combat class at 60 is a clear indication that you have no idea how current endgame content works. DPS checks are more heavily utilized and emphasized in endgame Heavensward content than they were in ARR. Everyone, including tanks and healers, is expected to pull their weight DPS wise. Thus your opinion carries less weight than if you were 60 since you've never experienced said content yet.

[Azazua_azura]

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Thats assumption theory crafting has been in rpg since before the internet. And which person you are refering to? Parser help all classes out from dps to healing to tanking or so people claim.

@ malevicton

again that has been done well before the internet so you can't state that is factually true.

please you guys sound rediculous, you guys come off and act like parser are the end all be all and act like gaming and rpg didn't exist befor parser. Even table top rpg players therory craft.

In most cases herer people mix up "learning to play" with "learning the content" none of which needs a parser, and just requires practice. Which you don't even need to see numbers to. Just playing, reacting, adapting gets content beat which all you need is the mobs hp bar up SE even added the % so you can figure out what % mobs do their moves.



@ ac
I just want to point out that most ice mages or petrified monks are just trolls getting under your skin. More so if they claim its RP reasons.

@ thread

Like I keep saying it is ignorant to assume that when you give people tools they won't use them. And players would infact harasse over numbers if it wasn't bannable, but using a parser is bannable. Whats stop anyone in this thread reporting any person for parser use from anyone of the parser crowd, And you can't factually claim "i use a parser but i don't care about df, so one no does." When i had years of experience with people giving a dam.

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Hell of alot worst in Aion though, but similar happen in dcuo once a official parser was released, but that was more over mic then anything.

the only thing thats really ignorent is claiming parser are the cause of everything, when gaming has been around before the internet.

unless this was a pc only game, none of your arguments hold water. Mostly because your acting like people on pc are the best players due to having access to parser.

[Archaell]

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I am going to ignore the ridiculous part of your post - as somebody else will be more than happy to get through it - and ask you a simple question.

People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

Do you consider this to be harassment?

[Eidolon]

Its not fear mongering to know that this would happen, nor ignorance. Its actually ignoent to clainm it wouldn't happen. People did it in WoW often. I can't rell you how much content shouts i saw with must parse 1200 or some stuff. Some guilds even required you to parse at least 1100 before you joined them.

A few things:

Most FC's in private that do serious endgame will request a parse. This is to test the player and make sure they at least understand the basics of their own rotation - but this is often for serious raiding free companies.


There is little to no difference between "Must be able to parse X" and "Must be able to clear Y." The only difference I see is that someone might get carried through a clear on "Must be able to clear Y" because they know the mechanics but not their own role and how to optimize it (I've had BLM's doing 600 DPS on A1S who has the earrings drops. That bad. We almost cleared because we had two WAR's decked with STR gear but came up short.)

Using a parser is a gameplay style and should not be considered a negative thing.
Using a parser to harass is a choice of trolls and should not be tolerated.
Players who harass should not be the determinant on the rest of the game. That is punishing the majority for the sake of preventing the minority.