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    Quote Originally Posted by Azazua_azura View Post
    Dude im been playing mmo pre WoW, which is where this hole parser bs started.
    I very much know what a parser is, does, and how it used in a raid.
    You really don't from the sounds of it, your alternate 'solutions' to using a parser offer no valid data.

    Your rotation does not change in this game, it the same rotation you gonna use ina raid, field, dungeon. Rest of the stuff comes wuth experiemce in the raid itself, which is more practice the raid then rotation.
    Annnnnd now we see how wrong you are, what about mobs with lower HP such as the add phase in AS3? What about when I know ToD won't get enough ticks off before a boss jump so I know its worthless, my rotation changes based on those things, and a parser shows me I did better DPS than the previous attempt so I know i am on the right track. BASIC rotations do not change, advanced/optimal changes to your rotation DO based on the fight, a parser tells you if the changes you made were good or bad. Simple as that.
    Also base dps comes from you know using your skills.... you gonna have low dps if your skills are not hitting hard enouh.
    /facepalm
    You are missing the point, you stated if your skills hit hard then you're doing fine, what about a blackmage vs monk? Blackmage individual skills hit hard, but take longer, monks skills don't hit as hard but they attack faster. This is why DPS I keep saying you focus on overall DPS, not how hard a skill hits, of course you want to hit harder and gear up to do so, but the point is you need to optimise your DPS.

    Most dps check wipes I've seen have been a mixture of bad timing on everyone. Like the tank moving the boss on monks positionals, other dps not getting outa aoe on time, healers spacing out on dpsing and doing last min cures, or simply undergeared people.
    DPS checks are failed because the DPS check was not met, a parser can tell you if that was because a DPS was not doing enough, then you start to look for reasons why they didn't do enough. All of the reasons above are valid reasons, however sometimes the reason is because they simply need to perform better, the parser helps tell you that.

    like my take on dps check is more gear/experience as factores to low dps.
    No one is debating that gear/experience matters however without informative feedback you simply do not KNOW if you are performing at top level, or if you can improve because you cannot SEE your DPS.

    Question and this why im not a fan of parser, how do you know an entire group is playing well if they range the same? Howe do you know if their high or low dps? do you cross check it on a database site? And how do you know the database is correct?
    The database is made up of parsing data that people upload, its the DPS these people have been outputting in the fights. We can see what overall DPS people are achieving. So if I see the top groups monk doing 1350 DPS in A3S, I think right, I can pull 1100, while he probably has better gear than me as I am undergeared right now, that doesnt account for a 200 DPS gap, so I know I need to improve in certain areas to reach his level of DPS. Translate that into when I am in DF I know roughly what DPS can be done in each raid, if someone is below that I know they are underperforming, for the most part, I don't care. However if I see someone doing absolutely trash I will check the gear, if the gear is all eso/law/alex stuff, I know that gear isnt the issue, it's the rotation or lack of trying. Simple really.

    Unless youj cross check everyone player on every server with every net speed/set up you can't factually know what top dps is.
    We know what the top DPS roughly is, within a 50-100 mark window, that is good enough as those top numbers won't be hit by everyone anyway. The point is we know certain fights a top level DPS can do around 1100-1300 depending on the fight/class. If someone has the gear but is doing 800 or less, we know they are doing poorly. I will also say, most DPS players do between 700-800 which is basically below average.

    Also dps check fights don't always wipe to low dps, shi honestly just happens learn and move on.
    Can I ask how much end game raiding you actually do? I am trying to figure out where you came out with the statement that 'a dps check wasn't met because of low DPS' that's pretty asburd, if the raid wipes on a DPS check, 99% of the time its because not enough damage was done.
    Also for future replies, if you can just reply in a new post it is much easier than editing one of your previous posts and lets the conversation flow smoother.
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    Last edited by Jamein; 10-16-2015 at 07:51 PM.