parse for ps4 users !

[Mature]

The only reason I would like a parser is to know where I'm going wrong so I can fix that or if I'm already high dps I would like to play around with rotation and see if I can do even better. What I don't understand is people getting so catty about it. It's for personal use. A bit like a fighting game training mode, you spend hours testing combos so inflict much higher damage so you can put it to practice in an actual match.and if it doesn't work you can always tweak it. But right now we have NOTHING telling us how well we are doing.or how can I improve.

Are there any other MMO out there that got a personal parser?

[Azazua_azura]

The only reason I would like a parser is to know where I'm going wrong so I can fix that or if I'm already high dps I would like to play around with rotation and see if I can do even better. What I don't understand is people getting so catty about it. It's for personal use. A bit like a fighting game training mode, you spend hours testing combos so inflict much higher damage so you can put it to practice in an actual match.and if it doesn't work you can always tweak it. But right now we have NOTHING telling us how well we are doing.or how can I improve.

Are there any other MMO out there that got a personal parser?

The thing is not everyone is asking for personal parser, some people want group parser so they can pick apart their group if they wipe. Pretty much to remove the supposed weak link and get a replacement. Which is the type of system I'm not for because part of getting the most out of ur dps is having experience in the content.

Alot of us are chatting over some misconceptions, either side have. One of them is having a parser to improve or having a parser to see who in your group is doing well.

I'll also like to point out you do have stuff that shows you if your doing well or not. First you can cross examine your battle log text fighting a mob 10 levels higher than you. If each skill is putting out a high number then you should be doing good. If you are using your damage increasing buffs at a good time and keeping your gear up to date then you should be doing good.

You can always ask LS mates or FC mates for those who play the job you do as well and ask for tips, you can also ask you LS or FC to help you practice content you're new at.

So saying you have nothing to help you improve is a bold face lie, I don't run my battle log text or flying numbers. << i have reasons.

What i do is gage the mobs hp bar and calculating my hits based on how much % i take the mobs hp out with my combos. Then I try to use that to pick good times to do my buffs, I do the same as tank with my own personal HP, and cross referencing wuth how long each recast time is.

I also still try to improve.


As for mmo with parser, only 1 i know of that I played was DCUO but it wasn't personal, it was a leaderboard set up. Anyone had access to it in any given content and throught the content. At the end it will pop to see who was number 1.

in dcuo no matter the role they strive to be number 1, most cases player would do content in their dps stance instead of their role stance. They would all rush ahead going in all directions to try and be number 1.

This was because if you hit first and spam aoe you pretty much was on top. People didn't even play their role in a few cases that I saw, one moment i had people started to fight over the stupidest stuff that shoulda been basic mmo 1.0.

This was a big reason I quit DCUO, that and toping charts as a healer was just... -_-;;;.

o well not my fault my powertype and weapon choice was a bit too well picked XD

[Noshpan]

all pc users have it and use it

I don't have it, therefore, I don't use it. And I only play on PC.

The reason they won't provide one is because of the potential for abuse that a parse tool can be used for. I have witnessed it from others who have it and use it to belittle others who are actually performing good for their job. I've observed such parse abuse in other games that do allow them. They figure it's just easier to simply not make one available, but understand that there will be some players who will use them. And they're okay with that so long as parsers are not used to abuse others.

[Chif]

I don't have it, therefore, I don't use it. And I only play on PC.

The reason they won't provide one is because of the potential for abuse that a parse tool can be used for. I have witnessed it from others who have it and use it to belittle others who are actually performing good for their job. I've observed such parse abuse in other games that do allow them. They figure it's just easier to simply not make one available, but understand that there will be some players who will use them. And they're okay with that so long as parsers are not used to abuse others.

90% of pc users have it and you can use it any time . Some of ps4 users need it if you don't want it don't use it .all ppl who are doing savage raid use it ,parse for expert ppl who want to be top.

[Azazua_azura]

@ chif
ps4 raid players don't use one... And not all of them have a person on pc to parse them, yet they down content. I literally just explain how you can improve w/o a parser. I completely suck at math unless it %'s basic trig basic geomatry. I pretty much mentally calucate the speed which the mobs drop their %, which for me is easier then doing a numerical ratio.

Oh and hey...

Want proof, a year ago i was playing cnj in a halatali i was 23-25 not in the best gear. We got to the second boss the thunderspark drake, what ended up happening is my group kept fighting in the water while it was charged and died off (i ran the fight a few times and did warn them) the boss was at 50% hp my group watped out of the fight area, I ended up taking royughly 10-20min to solo the boss and 2 sets of adds.

I play opn ps3, was on an SD tv at the time.

to me you would have to know the class/job well enough to pull that off.

Also that estiment is not fact, nor is that claim that savage players use them. Unless you have personally spoke to every pc player in the game and if they use a parser or not, then you shouldn't say wild assumptions

@ jamein

I'm sorry what? I never stated that it used to crap on people. Though it does happen, picking apart a group doesn't always mean " verbally butcher" people. Nor did I said anything about the df crowd. I just personally don't agree with the assesment people make with using a parser, numbers change from player to player, how do you know what is low and high since it changes at a moments notice from something as small as a 2 second lag spike.


I'm also tired of people with the attitude you have, that parsers are the end all be all of gaming. And what i said is the time tested way of figuring out rotations well before the internet, so you myfriend are in the wrong there. Tools are well and good, but people are so relient on them it sad. I also never once mentioned anything about individual damage of skill = top dps. How dod you even come up with that?

Also optimal rotations in this game are pretty much spelled out, you would have to be new to gaming not understand that.

I was saying and will keep saying a parser is NICE TO HAVE, but IS NOT REQUIRED to improve.

and cuz I'm sick of your attitude, and people with your attitude, my 27 years of playing games well before the internet, trump yous any anyone post WoW mmo experience. So please stop pulling arguments out your ass, and thinking any thing anyone says against parser being needed, is wrong.

Or finding alternitive means of improvement is wrong.

Dude im been playing mmo pre WoW, which is where this hole parser bs started.
I very much know what a parser is, does, and how it used in a raid.
Your rotation does not change in this game, it the same rotation you gonna use ina raid, field, dungeon. Rest of the stuff comes wuth experiemce in the raid itself, which is more practice the raid then rotation.

Also base dps comes from you know using your skills.... you gonna have low dps if your skills are not hitting hard enouh.

Most dps check wipes I've seen have been a mixture of bad timing on everyone. Like the tank moving the boss on monks positionals, other dps not getting outa aoe on time, healers spacing out on dpsing and doing last min cures, or simply undergeared people.

like my take on dps check is more gear/experience as factores to low dps.

Question and this why im not a fan of parser, how do you know an entire group is playing well if they range the same? Howe do you know if their high or low dps? do you cross check it on a database site? And how do you know the database is correct?

Unless youj cross check everyone player on every server with every net speed/set up you can't factually know what top dps is.

Also dps check fights don't always wipe to low dps, shi honestly just happens learn and move on.

[Jamein]

The thing is not everyone is asking for personal parser, some people want group parser so they can pick apart their group if they wipe. Pretty much to remove the supposed weak link and get a replacement. Which is the type of system I'm not for because part of getting the most out of ur dps is having experience in the content.

You need to stop this, you keep saying the reason people want a group parser is to crap on everyone else but that's not it. It's because a personal parse is absolutely meaningless unless you can compare it to others. Remember parsers are mainly a tool for END GAME RAIDING, not for DF. However people will use it in DF for the same reason, to see how well they are doing. If a fight goes south and you have 200 DPS less than usual, with a personal parse you can sit there and wonder why, if you have a group parse you might see EVERYONE had pretty low DPS so on the overall you aren't lacking behind, if you however see everyone else was still clearly in front of you, you know that you handled the mechanics poorly and didn't keep your DPS up during them or optimise, so you need to improve.

Alot of us are chatting over some misconceptions, either side have. One of them is having a parser to improve or having a parser to see who in your group is doing well.

I'll also like to point out you do have stuff that shows you if your doing well or not. First you can cross examine your battle log text fighting a mob 10 levels higher than you. If each skill is putting out a high number then you should be doing good. If you are using your damage increasing buffs at a good time and keeping your gear up to date then you should be doing good.

This sentence shows how little you actually understand, I am sorry but fighting a mob a little higher than you does NOT show anything. Just because a skill hits for a high number that means absolutely nothing out of context, warriors hit more than a monk with fell cleave, but damn sure don't do more DPS than a monk, a battle log tells you absolutely NOTHING about your DPS (Damage per second) unless you literally added everything up. over the course of a fight.
As for 'using your damage increasing buffs at a good time' without a parser you cannot tell if you have increased your overall DPS over a fight or not, you're simply guessing. Individual hits mean NOTHING, damage per SECOND is everything. Keeping that DPS up during mechanics is what matters.

You can always ask LS mates or FC mates for those who play the job you do as well and ask for tips, you can also ask you LS or FC to help you practice content you're new at.

Where do you think the perfect openers and optimal rotations/stat weights came from? Using parser data.

What i do is gage the mobs hp bar and calculating my hits based on how much % i take the mobs hp out with my combos. Then I try to use that to pick good times to do my buffs, I do the same as tank with my own personal HP, and cross referencing wuth how long each recast time is.

Again this is not in a raid environment, that's where parsers matter, not on some mob in the field. You are completely missing the point.

I mean no offence by this, but you honestly have NO clue what the parser is used for in this game, how it is used, and how the data is meaningful. You are offering some ridiculous alternatives that mean absolutely NOTHING in terms of raiding which is what the parser is designed for.

[Chif]

@ chif
ps4 raid players don't use one... And not all of them have a person on pc to parse them, yet they down content. I literally just explain how you can improve w/o a parser. I completely suck at math unless it %'s basic trig basic geomatry. I pretty much mentally calucate the speed which the mobs drop their %, which for me is easier then doing a numerical ratio

Also that estiment is not fact, nor is that claim that savage players use them. Unless you have personally spoke to every pc player in the game and if they use a parser or not, then you shouldn't say wild assumptions

If ps4 player don't have parse ask him you need parse ? he telling you yes .ps4 user who's raiding he have some 1 in pt useing parse, same what I doing now ..playing with full pt have parse except me new content need high dps with low dps you can't do any thing .if you want to clear new content on time you have to parse your pt if some 1 doing low dps you have to replace him .can you give me 1 pt just 1 clear new content with out parse ?

[Jamein]

@ jamein
Though it does happen, picking apart a group doesn't always mean " verbally butcher" people. Nor did I said anything about the df crowd.

Call it whatever you want, you have been advocating against parsers because you feel the community would castrate those not pulling enough DPS.

I just personally don't agree with the assesment people make with using a parser, numbers change from player to player, how do you know what is low and high since it changes at a moments notice from something as small as a 2 second lag spike.

Please, seriously sit back and consider what you are saying before you post, of course we know what is high, because the top players share the parse data from the clears, everyone shares the parse data, there is a website showing all of the parse data and ranks it, we can see what DPS people have managed to push out in those fights we take those figures as top, until someone else comes along and beats it. That's the entire point we can definitely see what people are able to parse given the gear in a fight, and then we can determine what the average DPS for a fight is per class, and then start to take gear into account etc. Thats how useful parse data is. It doesn't matter what a players excuse is, if your numbers are low then they are low, whether its lag or bad play or lack of experience on the mechanics, the outcome is your DPS is low and you need to improve it.

I'm also tired of people with the attitude you have, that parsers are the end all be all of gaming.

I am not showing you any attitude, I am simply debating a point and providing you with the facts, you do not use parsers, so you do not understand what they are used for or what data they give in this game or how it is used, so I am informing you that you are flat out wrong.

And what i said is the time tested way of figuring out rotations well before the internet, so you myfriend are in the wrong there. Tools are well and good, but people are so relient on them it sad.

Correction, BASIC rotations were figured out, as for OPTIMAL rotations that is a different ballgame that can only be tested by analysing data. I am far from wrong, sorry to disappoint you. A basic rotation might get you 800-1k DPS, an optimal rotation might get you 1300 dps, 300 DPS extra is a LOT over a 7-12 minute fight.

I also never once mentioned anything about individual damage of skill = top dps. How dod you even come up with that?

Literally your own words

First you can cross examine your battle log text fighting a mob 10 levels higher than you. If each skill is putting out a high number then you should be doing good.

Overall DPS is what matters.

Also optimal rotations in this game are pretty much spelled out, you would have to be new to gaming not understand that.

No, basic rotations are, the optimal rotations/openers to include oGCD weaving and buff timings and alignments are far from spelled out in game because these can also change per encounter depending on mechanics. For example A3S I can use B4B in my opener, but after that I to then leave off cooldown for a minute to save it for the DPS check, overall lowering my total Raid DPS but it is necessary.

I was saying and will keep saying a parser is NICE TO HAVE, but IS NOT REQUIRED to improve.

And I am telling you, that once you hit a certain level you do not KNOW how you are doing or if you are improving without the use of data. A parser obtains that Data.

and cuz I'm sick of your attitude, and people with your attitude, my 27 years of playing games well before the internet, trump yous any anyone post WoW mmo experience. So please stop pulling arguments out your ass, and thinking any thing anyone says against parser being needed, is wrong.

And now your complete ignorance is showing, how the hell do you come to the conclusion that you have been gaming longer than me? Do you know my age? What MMO's I started with? No you don't. Stop pulling information out of your ass I've been gaming just as long as you. However that in essense means nothing, some people play games more causally and don't care for DPS/high end gaming they just want to play, for me personally every MMO I ever played has been out doing the hardest content and min/maxing my class that's where my entertainment comes from in an MMO. I've been doing this a long time.

[Jamein]

Dude im been playing mmo pre WoW, which is where this hole parser bs started.
I very much know what a parser is, does, and how it used in a raid.

You really don't from the sounds of it, your alternate 'solutions' to using a parser offer no valid data.

Your rotation does not change in this game, it the same rotation you gonna use ina raid, field, dungeon. Rest of the stuff comes wuth experiemce in the raid itself, which is more practice the raid then rotation.

Annnnnd now we see how wrong you are, what about mobs with lower HP such as the add phase in AS3? What about when I know ToD won't get enough ticks off before a boss jump so I know its worthless, my rotation changes based on those things, and a parser shows me I did better DPS than the previous attempt so I know i am on the right track. BASIC rotations do not change, advanced/optimal changes to your rotation DO based on the fight, a parser tells you if the changes you made were good or bad. Simple as that.

Also base dps comes from you know using your skills.... you gonna have low dps if your skills are not hitting hard enouh.

/facepalm
You are missing the point, you stated if your skills hit hard then you're doing fine, what about a blackmage vs monk? Blackmage individual skills hit hard, but take longer, monks skills don't hit as hard but they attack faster. This is why DPS I keep saying you focus on overall DPS, not how hard a skill hits, of course you want to hit harder and gear up to do so, but the point is you need to optimise your DPS.

Most dps check wipes I've seen have been a mixture of bad timing on everyone. Like the tank moving the boss on monks positionals, other dps not getting outa aoe on time, healers spacing out on dpsing and doing last min cures, or simply undergeared people.

DPS checks are failed because the DPS check was not met, a parser can tell you if that was because a DPS was not doing enough, then you start to look for reasons why they didn't do enough. All of the reasons above are valid reasons, however sometimes the reason is because they simply need to perform better, the parser helps tell you that.

like my take on dps check is more gear/experience as factores to low dps.

No one is debating that gear/experience matters however without informative feedback you simply do not KNOW if you are performing at top level, or if you can improve because you cannot SEE your DPS.

Question and this why im not a fan of parser, how do you know an entire group is playing well if they range the same? Howe do you know if their high or low dps? do you cross check it on a database site? And how do you know the database is correct?

The database is made up of parsing data that people upload, its the DPS these people have been outputting in the fights. We can see what overall DPS people are achieving. So if I see the top groups monk doing 1350 DPS in A3S, I think right, I can pull 1100, while he probably has better gear than me as I am undergeared right now, that doesnt account for a 200 DPS gap, so I know I need to improve in certain areas to reach his level of DPS. Translate that into when I am in DF I know roughly what DPS can be done in each raid, if someone is below that I know they are underperforming, for the most part, I don't care. However if I see someone doing absolutely trash I will check the gear, if the gear is all eso/law/alex stuff, I know that gear isnt the issue, it's the rotation or lack of trying. Simple really.

Unless youj cross check everyone player on every server with every net speed/set up you can't factually know what top dps is.

We know what the top DPS roughly is, within a 50-100 mark window, that is good enough as those top numbers won't be hit by everyone anyway. The point is we know certain fights a top level DPS can do around 1100-1300 depending on the fight/class. If someone has the gear but is doing 800 or less, we know they are doing poorly. I will also say, most DPS players do between 700-800 which is basically below average.

Also dps check fights don't always wipe to low dps, shi honestly just happens learn and move on.

Can I ask how much end game raiding you actually do? I am trying to figure out where you came out with the statement that 'a dps check wasn't met because of low DPS' that's pretty asburd, if the raid wipes on a DPS check, 99% of the time its because not enough damage was done.
Also for future replies, if you can just reply in a new post it is much easier than editing one of your previous posts and lets the conversation flow smoother.

[Kallera]

I really don't know about the idea. All i know is the second it is given, there won't be a way to go back on it. And if the future of my time with the game is going to be rife with dps measuring contests and the parser being used as a bludegeon, It just won't feel right.