parse for ps4 users !

[sirDarts]

Yes, people get yelled at regardless. I'd rather not have people be yelled at over statistics and speed run demands. Also included with your terrible player is the prima donna dps that pulls or the tank the ditches the group at the first opportunity.

Or how about the ones that puts down the folks even when they win? What a treat they are.

People already demand speedruns when applicable... A parser would not change anything about the stuff you are describing.

As already said several times. AS LONG AS content is getting cleared, NOBODY cares whether you are mediocre. Once content doesn't get cleared YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY. When you don't know why, you will just be bashing your head against the wall for an hour, just to disband the party afterwards.


Also you seem to be one fitting this question:
Why are tanks and healers required to play to 120% of the their job responsibilities, yet DPS are babied and allowed to barely push 50%?

[Kallera]

People already demand speedruns when applicable... A parser would not change anything about the stuff you are describing.

As already said several times. AS LONG AS content is getting cleared, NOBODY cares whether you are mediocre. Once content doesn't get cleared YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY. When you don't know why, you will just be bashing your head against the wall for an hour, just to disband the party afterwards.


Also you seem to be one fitting this question:
Why are tanks and healers required to play to 120% of the their job responsibilities, yet DPS are babied and allowed to barely push 50%?

I don't make that sort of demand myself, most of the learning to push content came from doing higher end content, which wasn't exactly fun and left me in a funk until about one week before HW. Whether people expect that performance themselves is their own answer. I tend to play dps or tank nowadays, but i don't consider my experience with the game "being babied".

[sirDarts]

I don't make that sort of demand myself, most of the learning to push content came from doing higher end content, which wasn't exactly fun and left me in a funk until about one week before HW. Whether people expect that performance themselves is their own answer. I tend to play dps or tank nowadays, but i don't consider my experience with the game "being babied".

If a tank loses aggro and causes a wipe, they get kicked.
If a healer messes up and causes a wipe, they get kicked.
If a DPS is pushing <50% of the DPS they should be with their gear, and cause a wipe, nothing happens, and the party eventually disbands.
If that is not babying, I don't know what is.


Also just look around the forums:
"Tanks should use STR gear, and do as much damage as they can" - Everything is fine.
"Healers should DPS every time they have downtime while healing" - Everything is fine.
"DPS should learn how to play and do more DPS" - Everyone loses their minds.

[Kallera]

If a tank loses aggro and causes a wipe, they get kicked.
If a healer messes up and causes a wipe, they get kicked.
If a DPS is pushing <50% of the DPS they should be with their gear, and cause a wipe, nothing happens, and the party eventually disbands.
If that is not babying, I don't know what is.
Also just look around the forums:
"Tanks should use STR gear, and do as much damage as they can" - Everything is fine.
"Healers should DPS every time they have downtime while healing" - Everything is fine.
"DPS should learn how to play and do more DPS" - Everyone loses their minds.

That's just not what i do, and not my experience in the DF, even when wiping as a tank.

And whether its here or reddit, there always people decrying posts that say THEIR role is at fault and its THEIR role that should learn how to play, extenuating circumstances be damned.

All i can say is im not that interested to return to a hardcore "do or die" mentality for this game. Sorry if that doesn't answer why the forums are what they are, i don't have that answer either.

[sirDarts]

That's just not what i do, and not my experience in the DF, even when wiping as a tank.

And whether its here or reddit, there always people decrying posts that say THEIR role is at fault and its THEIR role that should learn how to play, extenuating circumstances be damned.

for this game.

Frankly, it doesn't really matter what you do.
What I described is what happens in the game as a whole.
DPS are allowed to be incredibly lazy, and just plain bad in pretty much any content, there is a lack of DPS checks in 4-man content, and in 8-man content they can easily get carried by the 3 other DPS (or Tanks and Healers who go out of their way to DPS).

This causes terrible DPS running around, and making content way more difficult than it should be, or even impossible. And nothing can be said, nothing can be done, hours are wasted by bashing head against a wall, just to disband a party. Players get frustrated, frustration causes toxicity. Something needs to be done.
As long as this issue was limited to EX Primals and Raids, it was "OK", now people are unable to progress the story because people can't clear Bitchmarck HM... So yeah. Something NEEDS to happen, and a parser is the best tool that can help here.

[Kallera]

Frankly, it doesn't really matter what you do.
What I described is what happens in the game as a whole.
DPS are allowed to be incredibly lazy, and just plain bad in pretty much any content, there is a lack of DPS checks in 4-man content, and in 8-man content they can easily get carried by the 3 other DPS (or Tanks and Healers who go out of their way to DPS)...

Well, I'm not convinced, then, as my experience with df is different than yours. I do not support a parser, or think it will help make a better party experience.

[sirDarts]

Well, I'm not convinced, then, as my experience with df is different than yours. I do not support a parser, or think it will help make a better party experience.

Well if you never were in a group where a DPS check fails (which I really don't believe, but all power to you), you probably don't understand the frustration.

I have had 3 days in a row where I got Bismarck HM in Trial roulette just recently.
In the first we spent almost an hour failing to do the Snakes DPS check, before we voted abandon.
In the other two, we failed twice on the snakes, to just have the group fall apart with people quitting.
All of this with me adding DoTs to both snakes when I could. I am a healer.

It's story content, people NEED to clear it, but it doesn't get cleared because DPS are used to being allowed to be shit. And there is no way to know which of the 4 are failing, and need to either focus, change their rotation, or get removed. So yeah, babying DPS does not really work anymore, and if SE want to keep adding DPS checks to story content, they NEED to give us a way to see where the problem is.

[Chif]

Well, I'm not convinced, then, as my experience with df is different than yours. I do not support a parser, or think it will help make a better party experience.

You have any ideas for how ppl can improve skills and clear contuent on time ? not waiting for new gears or need help from ppl who clear this from long time and they are doing new things ? Parse thing that help you to know what are you doing in fight with your pt some thing you can see it . Parse can show you how much you doing as dps + crit , heal taken a lot of thing . When you drive car you have meters without meters you don't know how much you are driving.