parse for ps4 users !

[Chif]

@ sirdarts
Also you can't always say/prove that the parser is the reason behind optimal rotation and buff use, some of that came from experimentation on content and seeing how fast the mobs die.

Prove pls maybe tank was dpsing more than dps ? I'm talking about savage contact not mobs. mobs my chocobo can kill it .

[Azazua_azura]

Prove pls maybe tank was dpsing more than dps ? I'm talking about savage contact not mobs. mobs my chocobo can kill it .

I've been gaming 27 years of the 30 years I've been alive, parser were made and introduced around the time of WoW's launch era. Possibly sooner with mods for elder scrolls online. I personally dudn't hear the term parse till about 2008, and even still no one used them they way people do now. At least in ff11, only as mmo became more mainstream did the negativity started to happen. Before parsers became the norm, players would literally just go out and kill stuff to test themselves. Also note ff11 was launched on the ps2 in japan first, which ermm ya... no parser.

Again you don't need a parser to see numbers, the battle log also has numbers, infact it goes a step further YOU CAN SEE WHAT SKILLS PEOPLE USE!!! << like really.

[Dualgunner]

Again you don't need a parser to see numbers, the battle log also has numbers, infact it goes a step further YOU CAN SEE WHAT SKILLS PEOPLE USE!!! << like really.

Only problem I have with this is that the info is just presented, not compiled and refined into something simply and easily understood so I can take notes and make adjustments.

Yes, you don't *need* parsers, but I'm willing to bet they'd make life much easier.

[Azazua_azura]

Only problem I have with this is that the info is just presented, not compiled and refined into something simply and easily understood so I can take notes and make adjustments.

Yes, you don't *need* parsers, but I'm willing to bet they'd make life much easier.

eh not for me. I have all my battle info turned off because the nyumber stuff got annoying and the battle log spam got annoying. Also erm......

How hard is it to read.

play A did skill 1 for 200 dmg
player b did skill 1 crit for210


I was more pointing that out to players who want parser to make a judgment call on who they feel is putting out low dps. If you can see what the other players are doing and read each dmg each skill they use. You pretty much exactly tell who is and isn't low.

Also idk how ppl find "i parse 300 dps" easy to follow, i read that and think "what the heck did they just say" I rather read the battle log then read that...

Sorry, but I'm sure people don't want to sit there analyzing and calculating the amount of damage someone's doing in order to meet a DPS check, while keeping the rest of the group waiting.

umm....... who said you have to ratio it out? its to see what skill each person uses and how much damage it is. More pointing out the WHAT SKILL THEY USE aspect of that not just damage. MEANING (i can't believe i have to actually explain this to pro parser people) you can see if they are 1) doing their rotation correctly abd 2) using buffs at decent times.

@ sidarts, no offence but you keep contradicting youself and you do come off that you would do just that. Why do you insist to force groups to have YOUR opinion. Also as i said there are TOO MANY FACTORS with a person dps to rely on a parser, to make a judgement call on who is playing well or not.

And also AGAIN all roles are judged equally tabks who can't tank are kicked if they hsave a poor attitude. (as in they act like you) healers who don't heal well are infact kicked if they have poor attitudes. And i know for a fact dps are infact kicked if they are not aiding the fights attacking mobs well.

Hell i was doing neverreap one day as a smn and was booted out of the duty for not using my dots on 1 set of mobs, which was just before the second boss. This was a personall choice as the mobs die fast and didn't want to waste dreadwyrm trance or deathflare. Infact the healer was spaming (caster) dots the whole time, even when i was using them.

i also got picked apart for using ifrit over garuda once, i like ifrit cuz of the buff he does.

I also find alot of that attitude to be in poor taste, but last thing this game needs is an official parser. Big reason is people like you dude.

Stop using df like it pf and cherry pick your party.

Parser don't tell you what net speed a person is, how often they ran the content, the ones i know of don;t tell you a persons skill use just reads their damage in a ratio of damage per second.

Also, people have been beating hardcore game content well before the invention of the parser, games have had dps checks well before the invention of the parser.

People beat it from practicing it, or as sirdarts put it "beating your head against the wall".

There is more to a wipe then low dps even on dps check fights. And why even replace a player? Why not help them out NICELY, instead of force feeding your opinion and playstyle on them.
@ the ppl who qouted me
ok ok so lemi get this straight.


1) you absolutely need to know who is on the top and bottum of the dps parse leaderboard even if the group beat the conten? (and quickly might i add.)

2) seeing each person individual hit damage on skills isn't good enough? or seeing the order of their skills/buffs isn't good enough?

I'm sorry im laughing so hard at that. All games you pretty much the same coding to produce hit miss crit damage. More so if they use similar universal engins like unreal or havok. Simply saying "it was a different game" is just....... weak as heck.

I trust the battle log more then a parser, and i trust a mobs hp bar more then that. It is not hard AT ALL to walk yourself up to a mob 10 levels above you anbd you fight it, and you read the battle log after. It literally tell you everything you need to know.

and just fyi engaged mob damage, your damage, other players damage, other mobs damage, player buffs, party player damage buffs etc are all on seperate filters.

the chat log has a buttload of filters, the battle log part has even more filters so really saying parser is needed is bull.

and also ff11 was a PS2 game first it also hard content, what you think players did?

japanese also play this game on consule not just pc how you think they beat content?

you guys act likie you can't beat content with out third party tools, that is why i'm against them. Learn to play with out one before asking for a tool to make it easier.

also TEAM WORK beats content in mmo. Not witch hunting which player you thought you carried.

You guys need to get off the petty mindset that 1 player is make or break. IT NEVER IS.

why the flying f do you guys consider playing a video game, doing hard content equals or gives you the right to witch hunt players using an inaccurate tool.

parser are inaccurate till the day they scan players, giving out every tiny bit of info that effects their dps.

this would mean:

tell each players net speed, where they live, how long they have been gaming, their home life, if their are sick or not, if they have a medical condition, how fresh their are to the game, how fresh they are to the job they are playing, how new to the content they are, heck the system they play on, or crosshotbar/hotbar set up, bonus stat allocation, food they use, skills they use, buffs they use.

When parser present all that data then i will think they are useful as everything i just listed does effect a persons dps.

all off that can effect how much dps a person pulls, and none of it is presented in a parser.




@ thread.

1) i do know what I'm talking about, i play a full spectrum of games and game styles,. I consider myself a relaxed hardcore player. As in I always strive to have the best gear, use the best food on the job im playing for the content i'm playing. I also ask people how I do and ask for tips. I spend time practicing my job/skill use/ buff use. I fully understand what a parser does, I also know how inaccurate it can be. Like I said play with out one then talk.

2) umm get good? I watch everyone in my groups all the time all all content, i see every skill and buff they use. If i see something off ask if they need any advice,
2.1) I also don't have any issue playing or avoid stuff.

3) none of what I said is based on fear mongering as i have only been vote kicked once in my time on ff14 for not using dots on 1 set of mobs in neverreap. I've been gaming WAY too long to have something as low dps, wipes etc. The only thing that does upset me, is when people try to play group content solo, I know for a fact when I play well or don't play well, I do not need some ratio'ed number number that fluixuates at any given time from the smallest of stuff to tell me i'm good or bad.

4) people like sirdarts have a poor attitude about players and how to play this game, and its people like them i would rather not see a official parser.
not everyone runs their parse in non raid content. With an official parser ALL content would be subjected to it, meaning players will cherry pick their groups across all content. (yes it does happen even in ff11 it happen) Which would make it harder for newer players to play, since their output is on display and some hothead will just verbally butcher them.




@ parser ready check idea

sound good on paper

hear is the reality:

check yes or be kicked.


And i very much know how parser work, DCUO had them I also asked the people in ff11 about them

so correct me if i'm wrong:

Parser and how they work:

you down load and run the program much like any addon and it will read the battle data and present it in a "easy to read" ratio based on over all output during fights

such as someone doing 300 dps is their are doing a ratio of 300 damage per second of a fight. Which the presentation of said info varies parser to parser. such as a graph or spread sheet.

so if i'm correct on that, how is it difficault to understand how they work?

[OPneedNerfs]

eh not for me. I have all my battle info turned off because the nyumber stuff got annoying and the battle log spam got annoying. Also erm......

How hard is it to read.

play A did skill 1 for 200 dmg
player b did skill 1 crit for210


I was more pointing that out to players who want parser to make a judgment call on who they feel is putting out low dps. If you can see what the other players are doing and read each dmg each skill they use. You pretty much exactly tell who is and isn't low.

Also idk how ppl find "i parse 300 dps" easy to follow, i read that and think "what the heck did they just say" I rather read the battle log then read that...

So... a Warrior does the highest DPS is that it? Considering Fell Cleave can reach 10k with crit and no other class can do that in 1 single hit.

And by that chain of thought, SMNs obviously are the worst DPS classes ever.

[ArcyEvil]

So... a Warrior does the highest DPS is that it? Considering Fell Cleave can reach 10k with crit and no other class can do that in 1 single hit.

And by that chain of thought, SMNs obviously are the worst DPS classes ever.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The problem with ppl that are against parsers is that they don't even know what they talking about.

[LaylaTsarra]

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The problem with ppl that are against parsers is that they don't even know what they talking about.

Yeah exactly just like all those who are for them are all harassers. Please don't generalize and paint everyone with one brush. There is very little new added to this discussion on a daily basis that hasn't been said before in this thread or the numerous ones like it. People see what they want to see it appears.

[Dualgunner]

eh not for me. I have all my battle info turned off because the nyumber stuff got annoying and the battle log spam got annoying. Also erm......

How hard is it to read.

play A did skill 1 for 200 dmg
player b did skill 1 crit for210


I was more pointing that out to players who want parser to make a judgment call on who they feel is putting out low dps. If you can see what the other players are doing and read each dmg each skill they use. You pretty much exactly tell who is and isn't low.

Also idk how ppl find "i parse 300 dps" easy to follow, i read that and think "what the heck did they just say" I rather read the battle log then read that...

If its just you attacking with no effects going out, then it's easier to read yes. But with 8 people all putting on and taking off effects, including enemies putting on and taking off effects, buffs and debuffs included everywhere, I wind up having too many different numbers in a log that's way too big.

[ShanaShirayuki]

umm....... who said you have to ratio it out? its to see what skill each person uses and how much damage it is. More pointing out the WHAT SKILL THEY USE aspect of that not just damage. MEANING (i can't believe i have to actually explain this to pro parser people) you can see if they are 1) doing their rotation correctly abd 2) using buffs at decent times.

You still didn't address the time it would take to pay attention to everyone using the appropriate abilities at the right times to push DPS. Also people can't be watching everyone in a fight, there are mechanics, cooldowns, DoTs, buffs, etc. one has to deal with as well. Another thing is you're coming across as being very condescending, not good a way to try to prove a point.

And your fear mongering against pro parser players such as SirDarts just proves your argument isn't a very good one in the first place.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Again you don't need a parser to see numbers, the battle log also has numbers, infact it goes a step further YOU CAN SEE WHAT SKILLS PEOPLE USE!!! << like really.

Sorry, but I'm sure people don't want to sit there analyzing and calculating the amount of damage someone's doing in order to meet a DPS check, while keeping the rest of the group waiting.