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  1. #201
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    sirDarts's Avatar
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Well that's very easy to break down

    1. You learn the skills and rotation by playing the game, the parse also doesn't tell you "HEY PLAYER USE THIS BUFF AFTER THAT SKILL TO GET A HIGHER DAMAGE INPUT" we learn that through experimentation WHICH we already have the means to do with standard striking dummies.

    Honestly if think the concepts behind training in a game are different from one genre to another I can't help you there. Spending a few hours training on a fighter and 4 hours learning a class on a MMO are the exact same thing, you're learning how to play. Honestly it's like you players who want parse have no sense on what makes improvement.

    The player still has to MANUALLY input the skill in order for the parse to say if it is higher or not, the parse WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT TO DO IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW. And I hate to break it to ya, but if a player is doing something wrong with their rotation at level 60 chances are they don't care, they disregarded the toolkit or they are doing it intentionally. A parse won't help with that at all, because again IT DOESN'T PLAY THE GAME FOR YOU.
    1) A striking dummy is NOT enough, it doesn't tell you how much damage you are doing with the rotation. Thinking that the combos set out by the game and that a strinking dummy is enough is the reason for 1-2-3 DPS who don't use DoTs and buffs/debuffs.

    YOU CAN'T train if you don't know that you are doing it wrong! That's what the parser WILL tell you - it will tell you: "Hey you are doing half the damage of the other DPS, despite being close in gear, you are doing something WRONG!" Most people think they are the best there ever was, so they will NOT train! Not to mention that training without a parsers is like training for a run without a stopwatch. You might feel that what you did different made stuff better, but it might have made it worse!

    Yes, of course you need to practice your rotations to pull them off, a parser does NOT make you a great player, it just helps you get there yourself! It will tell you that you need to search for better rotations because your is crap. IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY THE GAME FOR YOU!
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  2. #202
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    No, it's not.
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  3. #203
    Player Chif's Avatar
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    Dr' Death
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 60
    Btw only ps4 uses dont have parse pc user havit from more than 2 years and ithink pc users more than ps4 users .
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  4. #204
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    Colleen Nee
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    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    ...He's a Hellsguard Roe. Their stats aren't even that bad for casters.
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  5. #205
    Player Chif's Avatar
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    Culinarian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayvee View Post
    ...He's a Hellsguard Roe. Their stats aren't even that bad for casters.
    You have any idea how ppl can make new rotation or how to know how much they are dps ? Need solutions. i was in pt as tank and iwas 1st on all dps with big difference !
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  6. #206
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    T'erra Branford
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    You have any idea how ppl can make new rotation or how to know how much they are dps ? Need solutions. i was in pt as tank and iwas 1st on all dps with big difference !
    What does this do with what she said?

    I myself am very pro parser, but I have to say, you come off as the exact kind of person the other side uses as the reason not to have one.

    I don't know what your situation is, and it could be the the way you communcate due to a language barrier, as well as terrible formatting, but you really are coming off in a more than negative fashion in the posts I can bear to force myself through.
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  7. #207
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    Gilraen Bior
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    Midgardsormr
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    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    No... you didn't 'answers hes questions' because he didn't pose one, he GAVE an answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingatlas View Post
    You don't need a parser, you have access to this board. Go to DPS board, and look up your Role.
    You will see optimal rotations and ideas for rotations. All kind of people talking about it.

    What too much work to read something... go make another useless thread then.
    I'm done with the parser 'debate' because there's been excellent posts to that in both of the currently running threads...
    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I understand that, but that's not what my point was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Well that's very easy to break down
    ...but saying 1-2 point stat differences equals 1% is a gross misunderstanding of the game. They purposely designed the stats and the classes so that there is no ideal build. You can be a roegadyn thaumaturge all day long and still be hitting as hard as a lalafell thaumaturge if you've kept your gear current. 1-2 points is nothing compared to grand totals in the 900-1000 range. If anything, all your 'answers' does is illustrate just how much you don't know about the game you're purporting to be an expert at.
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    Last edited by Gilraen; 10-14-2015 at 11:06 PM.

  8. #208
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Their is little difference between each race but this little difference very important When you doing hard raid or new contact some ppl wiping in A3s at less than 1% , if you want to be the beast in your job you have to choose beast race for doing maximum results .Iwas answers hes questions did he asking you to help him?
    There is a maximum of 6 points difference between races. In an extremely rare situation, if all 8 people are the worst racial choice for their job, this is 48 main stat point differences, probably around 60 dps difference as a raid. I'm sure there are situations where 50 or 60 more raid dps would be the difference in wipe or clear, however, content is not tuned so tightly as to take racial stats into account. SE has stated as such, they want us to be the races we want to be without it being detrimental. In short, blaming racial stats for sub 1% wipe is pretty damn low.
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    Last edited by whiskeybravo; 10-14-2015 at 11:11 PM.

  9. #209
    Player Chif's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    What does this do with what she said?

    I myself am very pro parser, but I have to say, you come off as the exact kind of person the other side uses as the reason not to have one.

    I don't know what your situation is, and it could be the the way you communcate due to a language barrier, as well as terrible formatting, but you really are coming off in a more than negative fashion in the posts I can bear to force myself through.
    What i meant is we need solutions not ppl talking about something else just "solutions" .
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  10. #210
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    What i meant is we need solutions not ppl talking about something else just "solutions" .
    It was you calling someone out as having low DPS because they are a Ro caster, you were being corrected is all. Which to be frank highlighted that you don't know as much as you try to imply about FFXIV and could lead you to removing someone because of their race+job choice even though it makes practically zero difference.
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