Originally Posted by Whiteroom

On something like 16 different occasions, a low scoring dps called out other higher scoring dps as being the poor players.

I don't think that's 100% valid though. There are plenty of situations where generally excellent players screw something up because they play aggresively, pushing the boundaries, and that can easily turn sour when it doesn't work as intended. I'm not talking about tunnel-vision stuff, but in general it's certainly a possibility that the "better" player could've messed up.

I don't know the context of that particular discussion, if was only enrage issues (and not mechanics) then yes it seems pretty ignorant for the lower scoring player to call out the higher scoring one. We are only as smart as the information available to us

I wouldn't mind a parser. Sometimes I'm just curious. I like the training dummy idea. I don't know about in dungeon though. If you're with strangers, is knowing going to change anything? If you're with people you know, well... you know them. Do you need their parse data? If so, you can just hit up the training dummy with them in a party right?

I wouldn't really know how useful it is though since I've never used one.

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I don't think that's 100% valid though. There are plenty of situations where generally excellent players screw something up because they play aggresively, pushing the boundaries, and that can easily turn sour when it doesn't work as intended. I'm not talking about tunnel-vision stuff, but in general it's certainly a possibility that the "better" player could've messed up.

I don't know the context of that particular discussion, if was only enrage issues (and not mechanics) then yes it seems pretty ignorant for the lower scoring player to call out the higher scoring one. We are only as smart as the information available to us

Have a look at that thread for the context. I would link, but I'm on my phone. While it was a small sample size he used. It's interesting. Also I don't think you understood the context from what I wrote. Better to go to the source. By lower scoring dps, he rated it at 200 dps for single target. A great player would have to die pretty early on to have those numbers. And if they were alive, wouldn't put up those numbers, regardless of trying something a little agressive.

Originally Posted by MentheusDreyar

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Yeah I know lol. Like I said I'm in full support of PS4 getting a parser. I almost literally drag my PC friend around dungeons and lower level raids with me to parse me so I know if I'm getting any better at applying the rotation in various instances, as he got bored of parsing me on the dummy lol. If I could parse myself I wouldn't need to rely on other players to try and become a better dps*


*Said with full realization raiding is a team effort and the group gets stronger together ideally, but I like to know I can be the best I can be for any team I join.

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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I feel bad for your friend, because I've experienced the same thing with my static all for the greater good though! So kudos! I wish we had a few thousands players more like you

I also want to throw a quote in here for everyone against parsers that many are simply ignoring..

Originally Posted by Ryel

The game is heavily reliant from the ground up on DPS performing in content, yet the only tool we have that offers live feedback is a third party program that isn't officially supported by the developers.

That's an issue.

Waiting answers from SE or GM about the timing for adding parse to ps4 . With parse this game will be so nice and Ican play any job any time .

Originally Posted by Chif

Waiting answers from SE or GM about the timing for adding parse to ps4 . With parse this game will be so nice and Ican play any job any time .

I play every class/job in this game and i conatently seek to improve myself without a parser?


Seems like this is a lame excuse, i don't need to see a ratio'ed number that is inconsistent to improve how i play. I just need to see the rate the mob hp % goes down, In my experience people play the parser and not the game

again time and time againpost by post you guys are infact proving why we shouldn't have one.My cristizing a person on supposedly not pull their wieght based on a third party tool, your forcing your ideals on them which is rude. Offering tips is one with shoving it down ppl throats is another, I'm pretty sick and tired of reading parser vwitch hunting both on these forums and in the game.


Numbers don't help me improve one bit, seeing how best to and the timing of my rotation all i'm concerned with, and just watching the rate of mob Hp enough to tell.


I'm also tired of reading "carry" by people seriously that sounds very juvinile if the person is afk... i can understand if the person is activitely paricipating thenj you are not carrying them.

If your that tired of people who are, in your eyes, not performing well. Then Offer tips on the job/content, don;t force feed but it that fails just play with friend who play the same time you do, who share your ideals.


Forcing your play style and ideals on other players is rude, and its one reason i quit WoW.

Being called lazy for not able to DL an addon is complete bs... and i rather not see ff14 turn into that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ly_preventing/

If this has any semblance of how the community is, a public parser would actually REDUCE harassment, especially from the underperforming players towards the players pushing themselves and screwing up simply because they had no choice but to put in their 100% to compensate for the underperformer and messed up 1 mechanic.

[QUOTE=OPneedNerfs;3369130]https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ly_preventing/

If this has any semblance of how the community is, a public parser would actually REDUCE harassment, especially from the underperforming players towards the players pushing themselves and screwing up simply because they had no choice but to put in their 100% to compensate for the underperformer and messed up 1 mechanic.[/QOUTE]

OMG IM SO SORRY im half awake and read that all wrong and apologies im posting on my ps3 so editing is slow as hell. ; ; i no mean to be rude -lalapouts-


A differnce in playstyle is not harrassment, but is a kickable reason THAT a get. I also have read this stuff time and time again since the first parse in WoW.

Let me fix what i meant, some players DO think "underperforming" Aka not playing to another self made expectations is harrassment.

What i take from ts is a groups of playing (the ones who witch hunt "underperforming" players) enforce their playstyle and mindset on others, going as far as name calling etc. Having a parse does not reduce this harrassment. Nor does it reduce what you claim is harssment. Parse will not make people care any more less.


And it is partly your fault for using df for such things as Alexs nm or random pf groups for primals. I've been gaming for 27 years so I know this shi perfectly.

It sucks when you can't beat content, but to witch hunt "bad" players is THE WRONG WAY TO DEAL WITH IT. You at much fault for not communicating.

reason I came off rude (more like upset) Is i was subjected to this type of behavior I was a level 23 gla in halatali, I'm relearning how to play the class after 6mths of not playing tank. I told my group i was still getting the hang of it, and the healer was trying to make me mass pull mobs, using "its just halatali" as an excuse, this whm abd our groups smn kept pre casting mobs before i had a chance to pull and "accidently" pulling mobs on me. Which smn chimed in that it was gonna be a long dungeon. All that happen with in the first 1min of the dungeon and i only pulled the second set of mobs.

After being tired of the healer attitude, and him not understanding i wasn't ready (or felt i could) mass pull i said he sucked as a healer (refering to pushing me into something i wasm't ready for) he said oi sucked as a tank and that if i'm struggling in halatali i should quit the game.

To everyone else:

And again you are just much as at fault for choosing to play the game with random players. Nothing is stoping you from meeting people who share your ideals/playstyle and time frame and playing with them.

You CANNOT force people to learn, and you should NEVER judge a person if their are different then you. We have enough of that judgmental shi going on in the real world we don't need it in a game.

again my apologies on the mistake, and now i go pout cuz i feel like an asshole ; ;

also @ chif

why do you need numbers to prove that you are doing well?

I played every single job in this game from 1-15, pld, brd, whm smn sch drg to 50 drk ast smn sch to 60. I ran smn ast and sch through Alex nm, i ran drk ast smn through bzmark ex. I couldn't clear bzmark ex as tank cuiz i suck at tank swapping (so my faulyt on that) and over all groups i pf'ed would hear me out as a leader so i pretty much gave up (my fault on that too) but with alex nm i one shot each turn as a healer, and no one complained about my smn.

You don't need to see numbers to try to improve, just have the will to and ask for tips and experiment. If you reaed the tool tips, you find out stuff is self explinitory.

I don't (nor can i ) use a parser and i play ps3. I constently strive to improve.

@ sirDarts.


I'm sorry i don't speak parse. What?

You may have missed the memo, but all roles are equaly subjected in playing their role. I'm sorry but some random made up number from a user created tool as a "do this or you fail" is really the wrong way to go about stuff. Also DF use is player opinion not fact.

I'm sorry but idk hows long you have been playing ff14, mmo or video games as a whole but what you just said really just made you come off like a complete tool.

I judge all roles equally, I will kick players if they are undergeared for the content, the rest comes with experience, its a complete "duh"in that two people playing the same job will have different dps, based on various factors. Which do include experience with the content.

what you said pretty much reminded me why i hate the massachusetts board of education, it has a similar mindset of what you just stated with the requirement for graduation, which is to pass the mcas test. think of it as all student need to parse 300 to pass, and all student are given the same test, and must get 300 to graduate.

now with as much fault as what you said, here in lies the fault of such a broad judgment to graduate, not all student are the same, some are good test takers some are not, some have learning disabilities, some don't. Just because you don't pass doesn't mean you fail as a student. I have failed said test twice (due to learning disability) though i'm an A/B student.

as with the mcas example not all players play the same way, not everyone has the same net speed, gear, level of experience with content. So making a judment call on some broad (and partly made up) number subject people to a pass or fail is just idiotic.
And DF was designed for solo players or players who play at weord times to find groups, its not the end all way to do content. If your not finding df groups playing to your mindset meet players who do share it, and play with them. Its how i met my boyfriend.

Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

How is "underperforming" harrassment? Seriously? So being a new player, recently came back player, or a player who is still learning content/job is harrassment?

GROW THE F UP

I have a feeling you didn't read/don't understand.

The scenarios present in that thread was about an underperforming player HARASSING the others because the run went sour/went too slow.

Might help your point more if you stopped being so rude before even trying to understand something.