parse for ps4 users !

[Odett]

You know when I see you character is galaka and your main is blm this is more than enough for me to know that is your dps is low .

Let it be known that I fully support parsers for the PS4 but I absolutely do not agree with the TC.

[Heskett]

Yes, hello. I would love to be able to parse so I can utilize my DRK dps to its fullest so my group can pass A3S DPS checks better. Thank you.

[Dualgunner]

I am behind the idea of getting a parser with the ps4. Hell, if people are that against parsers in roulette content, why not a scorecard at the end of the dungeon/trial like is done in PvP?

[MentheusDreyar]

I am behind the idea of getting a parser with the ps4. Hell, if people are that against parsers in roulette content, why not a scorecard at the end of the dungeon/trial like is done in PvP?

Because that doesn't really give anyone an incentive to improve in that instance, and after that, and after that, etc. The people who don't try in the first place won't care about their score (the people we are constantly complaining about). Heck probably all of 5 people actually look at the scoreboard at the end of PVP out of 72.

Besides your idea is based on the fact we actually complete the content. Which may work for dungeons where other people can carry easily. But it would be worthless for anything else. And people do still fail dungeons believe me :'(

Everyone we complain about being bad would literally just look at the score and shrug their shoulders and be on their merry way because they got what they want. And they'll get what they want again and again while constantly being carried by the better players and just cause more issues down the line.

I know you stated for roulette only, but adding a scoreboard is really a waste of time because it doesn't promote getting better because of the way DF works and you'll likely never see those players again so it doesn't matter seeing your score at the end of the instance.

[_slowpoke_]

YOU WILL ONLY GET HARASSED IF YOU GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO 99% OF THE TIME.

Um, no. That's just plain victim blaming, full stop. The blame for harassment lies solely on the people doing the harassment. The end.

You can absolutely criticize people or tell them that they are not pulling their weight. That's not harassment, obviously (and no one ever claimed it is). But if you're gonna be an asshole about it, that's on you, and no one else. There's no justification to harass people, with or without parsers.

[Archaell]

Um, no. That's just plain victim blaming, full stop. The blame for harassment lies solely on the people doing the harassment. The end.

Sorry to say it, but you are wrong. Are you trying to tell me that there is no way you as the player could provoke someone else to harass you? Could we get an opinion of a proffesional troll pls?

What Mentheus meant was: The more you do something other players dislike, the more likely you might get harassed for it. Like tank that enrages when you keep ninja pulling and stuff. In most cases there is a trigger behind the harassment.

[MentheusDreyar]

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Except 99% of the time the "harassment" people complain about its literally just criticism, that's it. They just perceive it that way out of sheer ignorance because they are the ones under the spotlight. I'm not arguing there won't be assholes who cross that line into blatant harassment, but after two years of playing the amount of assholes I've encountered i can count on one hand, which is why i said 99% of the time.

So again, give people no reason and they won't do anything to you. But you surely know the standard response to any form of criticism in this community is basically "Go F@$% yourself" right? Which provokes people past the line of just criticism. Many of those under criticism fuel the fires of their own harassment. I've seen it often enough to make an actual observation on it.

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Thank You Archaell for your support, you probably summed it up better than i did.

[Whiteroom]

Um, no. That's just plain victim blaming, full stop. The blame for harassment lies solely on the people doing the harassment. The end.

You can absolutely criticize people or tell them that they are not pulling their weight. That's not harassment, obviously (and no one ever claimed it is). But if you're gonna be an asshole about it, that's on you, and no one else. There's no justification to harass people, with or without parsers.

While there may be no justification for it, this does not mean there is not a cause. I agree 100% that one should not be harassed for it, but that does not make his point less valid.

What does, are things like a reddit linked thread over in the "The issue noone wants to address" thread. This thread was a sampling of someone secretly parsing 100 Alex normal runs. On something like 16 different occasions, a low scoring dps called out other higher scoring dps as being the poor players.

Of course this wouldn't happen if there were a parser in game though, as everyone could see the abuser was wrong.

[Odett]

Um, no. That's just plain victim blaming, full stop. The blame for harassment lies solely on the people doing the harassment. The end.

You can absolutely criticize people or tell them that they are not pulling their weight. That's not harassment, obviously (and no one ever claimed it is). But if you're gonna be an asshole about it, that's on you, and no one else. There's no justification to harass people, with or without parsers.

This is definitely true in a RL scenario, but you would be surprised as to what some players in this game can define as harassment. I've come across situations where I've told a NIN "Huton is your friend", I've seen it not applied, and say 5 minutes later "you should try to use Huton, it's a huge boost to your DPS" and be told "STFU and worry about yourself"; that player was in no way a victim.

[ShanaShirayuki]

There is difference between harassment and segregation. If I make a pf and state people who can't parse over 1500 will be kicked, that is creating segregation. Telling someone they suck because they can't parse high is harassment. This game is already completely anti community, we don't need to add anymore fire to it, we already have people refusing to help players learn content. And no I'm sorry watching a number doesn't help you, actually sitting down and trying different skills and using buffs at certain times help. Parse doesn't do that, it doesn't tell you "Hey because your number is 500 you should use this skill first, then this buff, followed up by this skill then that one to increase your number to 700." The player finds that out by actually practicing, it's like playing a fighting game and thinking basic free training will help you learn advanced combos for example, Street Fighter.

Where do you think optimal rotations and skill usage came from? Numbers. And the numbers came from parsing with hours of spreadsheet work along with trying different abilities and when to use them. The game itself doesn't do a good job teaching players how or when to use their skills, hence the aforementioned is needed. Also, a fighting game is very different from an MMO, there are multiple things: the number of frames a character has when they jump or use an attack, as well as taking into account the matchup, is it a grappler vs a rushdown character? Not to mention specific monitors are needed to reduce input lag. And the big thing, more often than not you're up against a human opponent, where mind games also play a big role. Should I use cross-ups, will they use this ability on wake-up, etc.

Nice try comparing the two, like apples and oranges.