parse for ps4 users !

[MentheusDreyar]

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

If you wish to join a group and share, that's fine. people co-operating in this manner are hardly going to be reporting each other for DPS meter infringements.

But just as it is now, if you start using those numbers to harass people you've never met in DF, expect to get pinged for it.

Ermm no, because players "numbers" are in the battle log, they are technically there to be seen by anyone all a parser does is save us shifting through pages upon pages and doing manual calculations. The ONLY rule SE have is you can't abuse people, not that your number and contribution should be private. In ANY group situation withholding information necessary to the group is harassment if it is preventing your group from completing whatever they are doing. Calling out players that are clearly holding back the group is not harassment, at worst its criticism. It only becomes harassment in their eyes when they are removed for not being willing to contribute to the group which is their own problem. If they aren't going to play as a team they shouldn't be their in the first place. Period

And when a group fails a DPS and those unwilling to show their numbers refuse too, they WILL be kicked, or the group will just disband because there will be no solution to the problem if no one is willing to show their contribution unless someone is running an 3rd party parser where we can see which player is letting the group down. It is in the party's right to remove those responsible for failed runs if they are not willing to cooperate.

[XiXiQ]

they are technically there to be seen by anyone

by anyone with a PC. The information is impossible for any console user to see. You can run no real-time software to parse it, and you cannot access the log files beyond the few hundred lines it shows in history. (if someone knows a way to access this, I'd be interested to know how they do it)

I have nothing against parsers, I use a console so I'd like to see one included. I have no doubt a bunch of PC users I wouldn't know from a bar of soap have seen my numbers many times (and I don't care), yet I am clueless and will remain so until they add this functionality for PS4. If assauging the fears (be they realistic or not) of users who would prefer this didn't happen will get me this functionality and keep them happy, that's fine with me.

[MentheusDreyar]

by anyone with a PC. The information is impossible for any console user to see. You can run no real-time software to parse it, and you cannot access the log files beyond the few hundred lines it shows in history. (if someone knows a way to access this, I'd be interested to know how they do it)

I have nothing against parsers, I use a console so I'd like to see one included. I have no doubt a bunch of PC users I wouldn't know from a bar of soap have seen my numbers many times (and I don't care), yet I am clueless and will remain so until they add this functionality for PS4. If assauging the fears (be they realistic or not) of users who would prefer this didn't happen will get me this functionality and keep them happy, that's fine with me.

Doesn't have to be the log files, the consoles have the battle chat box do they not? As long as you can scroll through that battle report its essentially the same thing as a parser or looking at log files, only far too much of a hassle and to go through in any meaningful way at the time the data is relevant.

If all i saw was:

<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage
<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage
<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage

What difference does it make that i can see your average damage at a glance on my parser? I could clearly see you are under performing via sight and having the battle log open, it's just having a parser is far more convenient to what is already there.