parse for ps4 users !

[XiXiQ]

all that needs to be done is the parser is there for only the player to see. It's totally private, and they can choose to turn it on or not.

None of the current rules in regards to DPS meters need to change. It's still harrassment if you read someone else's numbers, or demand a certain DPS out of party members, or expect people to reveal their numbers to you etc.
No mentioning it when looking for PF members. Basically, your DPS numbers just isn't anyone else's business. End of story.

People who'd like to use it as a tool get to do so, and everyone else can mind their own beeswax.

[Archaell]

all that needs to be done is the parser is there for only the player to see. It's totally private, and they can choose to turn it on or not.

We have discussed this many times. In group environment, when the whole group has to complete the work together, your numbers aren't your private matter.

Edit:

I am starting to think that we need an encounter that whould serve as a wake-up call. Bismark isn't good enough.

We need 4man trial, where healer and tank are locked in their own fight, while each of the dps has to finish dps check on their own target alone otherwise whole party wipes. Set the bar to average expected dps. We will see how many nerf threads will appear.

[XiXiQ]

We have discussed this many times. In group environment, when the whole group has to complete the work together, your numbers aren't your private matter.

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

If you wish to join a group and share, that's fine. people co-operating in this manner are hardly going to be reporting each other for DPS meter infringements.

But just as it is now, if you start using those numbers to harass people you've never met in DF, expect to get pinged for it.

[sirDarts]

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

If you wish to join a group and share, that's fine. people co-operating in this manner are hardly going to be reporting each other for DPS meter infringements.

But just as it is now, if you start using those numbers to harass people you've never met in DF, expect to get pinged for it.

If you use ANYTHING to harass people, you will likely get pinged for it.
A parser does NOT change this.

[XiXiQ]

If you use ANYTHING to harass people, you will likely get pinged for it.
A parser does NOT change this.

no it doesn't. If you want SE to take parsers seriously, then you need to take into consideration the feelings of those who do not wish to use them, or to telegraph the information to others. The simple fact is, if people were comfortable with that idea, there'd be no opposition to any kind of parsers - yet there obviously is.

Compromise is the sensible solution.

[sirDarts]

no it doesn't. If you want SE to take parsers seriously, then you need to take into consideration the feelings of those who do not wish to use them, or to telegraph the information to others. The simple fact is, if people were comfortable with that idea, there'd be no opposition to any kind of parsers - yet there obviously is.

Compromise is the sensible solution.

You know the definition of a Compromise? The solution where both sides are just as pissed.
Your damage numbers are not a private thing, same as your aggro generation is not your private thing, nor is your healing effort a private thing. You are in a group, your feelings are not more important than the feelings of the rest of your group, and if your shitty performance (and it has to be EXTREMELY shitty for it to matter) is holding the group back, then you need to step up, or step off.

[MentheusDreyar]

You know the definition of a Compromise? The solution where both sides are just as pissed.
Your damage numbers are not a private thing, same as your aggro generation is not your private thing, nor is your healing effort a private thing. You are in a group, your feelings are not more important than the feelings of the rest of your group, and if your shitty performance (and it has to be EXTREMELY shitty for it to matter) is holding the group back, then you need to step up, or step off.

I really can't believe people are this ignorant, surely it's all one massive troll right? (he says hopefully) :L

[MentheusDreyar]

They are if the rules say so, and currently they do. That doesn't need to change if a player can see their own numbers.

If you wish to join a group and share, that's fine. people co-operating in this manner are hardly going to be reporting each other for DPS meter infringements.

But just as it is now, if you start using those numbers to harass people you've never met in DF, expect to get pinged for it.

Ermm no, because players "numbers" are in the battle log, they are technically there to be seen by anyone all a parser does is save us shifting through pages upon pages and doing manual calculations. The ONLY rule SE have is you can't abuse people, not that your number and contribution should be private. In ANY group situation withholding information necessary to the group is harassment if it is preventing your group from completing whatever they are doing. Calling out players that are clearly holding back the group is not harassment, at worst its criticism. It only becomes harassment in their eyes when they are removed for not being willing to contribute to the group which is their own problem. If they aren't going to play as a team they shouldn't be their in the first place. Period

And when a group fails a DPS and those unwilling to show their numbers refuse too, they WILL be kicked, or the group will just disband because there will be no solution to the problem if no one is willing to show their contribution unless someone is running an 3rd party parser where we can see which player is letting the group down. It is in the party's right to remove those responsible for failed runs if they are not willing to cooperate.

[XiXiQ]

they are technically there to be seen by anyone

by anyone with a PC. The information is impossible for any console user to see. You can run no real-time software to parse it, and you cannot access the log files beyond the few hundred lines it shows in history. (if someone knows a way to access this, I'd be interested to know how they do it)

I have nothing against parsers, I use a console so I'd like to see one included. I have no doubt a bunch of PC users I wouldn't know from a bar of soap have seen my numbers many times (and I don't care), yet I am clueless and will remain so until they add this functionality for PS4. If assauging the fears (be they realistic or not) of users who would prefer this didn't happen will get me this functionality and keep them happy, that's fine with me.

[MentheusDreyar]

by anyone with a PC. The information is impossible for any console user to see. You can run no real-time software to parse it, and you cannot access the log files beyond the few hundred lines it shows in history. (if someone knows a way to access this, I'd be interested to know how they do it)

I have nothing against parsers, I use a console so I'd like to see one included. I have no doubt a bunch of PC users I wouldn't know from a bar of soap have seen my numbers many times (and I don't care), yet I am clueless and will remain so until they add this functionality for PS4. If assauging the fears (be they realistic or not) of users who would prefer this didn't happen will get me this functionality and keep them happy, that's fine with me.

Doesn't have to be the log files, the consoles have the battle chat box do they not? As long as you can scroll through that battle report its essentially the same thing as a parser or looking at log files, only far too much of a hassle and to go through in any meaningful way at the time the data is relevant.

If all i saw was:

<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage
<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage
<insert name here> used Bootshine 400 damage

What difference does it make that i can see your average damage at a glance on my parser? I could clearly see you are under performing via sight and having the battle log open, it's just having a parser is far more convenient to what is already there.