parse for ps4 users !

[sirDarts]

You may find it funny but I don't. Not in the slightest. I've had it happen to me in Fractal and, depressingly, after berating us over a couple wipes at the last boss the parser user left (it was the tank), we got a random replacement and finished the boss off like there were no problems at all. Yes, people will be jerks, this is a given. That fire's been burning since the world's been turning. An official parser, though, would be lighter fluid to that fire.

OR... OR... An official parser would actually give YOU a way to see who is actually underperforming, and not just take the abuse by the tank... The fact that only ONE person has access to this information makes it way worse.

Anyways.
1) Idiots are going to be idiots, normal people are going to be normal people, seeing the numbers won't change either and you will still be able to report for harassment.
2) Why is it OK that Tanks and Healers are required to perform to 120% of their job capabilities, while DPS can easily get away with doing less than 50% in the majority of content?

[Gilraen]

Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills.

This is the biggest fallacy about parsing. All parsing is is a measurement of arbitrary numbers. As has been said, repeatedly, parsers don't get the big picture. Don't see the fight as it's happening, it just tallies the numbers and spits out an average. It takes knowledge and awareness to get the full picture. A Monk who's having to constantly dodge aoe is going to have terrible numbers, a Bard that's singing is going to have terrible numbers. You can't just rely on one metric in a game that has many mechanics that can't be ignored. That said, I'm not going to say parsers can't be useful, but only so long as they are kept private and optional. I'm not patient enough to weather more people like that tank in Fractal.

[Chif]

This is the biggest fallacy about parsing. All parsing is is a measurement of arbitrary numbers. As has been said, repeatedly, parsers don't get the big picture. Don't see the fight as it's happening, it just tallies the numbers and spits out an average. It takes knowledge and awareness to get the full picture. A Monk who's having to constantly dodge aoe is going to have terrible numbers, a Bard that's singing is going to have terrible numbers. You can't just rely on one metric in a game that has many mechanics that can't be ignored. That said, I'm not going to say parsers can't be useful, but only so long as they are kept private and optional. I'm not patient enough to weather more people like that tank in Fractal.

If you don't want parse pls don't use it just focus to doge aoe and let boss enrage after go watch YouTube and cry because you can't beat boss !man you just talking about easy dungeon don't make me laugh. Lol

[Yshnal]

Can't see where you answer my question, just personal anecdotal "evidence".

So, enlighten me, where DO you answer that DPS don't need to be as accountable as tanks and healers in regards to performance in a team setting?

(Good) parsers don't just parse dps. They also parse healing, mitigation, etc., so that you check and read it all to be able to know where's the culprit, and why something happened. Nowhere did I talk about a dps meter (nor does the thread title talk about that), so I don't really understand your fixation with me about this. A simple dps meter would be moot for the reasons that I state, as what you really want to know is WHY someone doesn't reach certain thresholds, be it for mitigation, healing, and also dps, of course (and that's why you need to be able to read what the tool is telling you, instead of just looking at the numbers). That people fail to grasp this and just keep talking about parsers as simple dps meters, and as if dps always drops as a direct consequence of a dps not playing right, is not anecdotal evidence, and it simply proves my point: most players wouldn't even know how to use a parser, thus it would serve no good at all on their hands.

Do you want that people learn to play their jobs (regardless of if they are dps or not)? Give suggestions for the upcoming training grounds. That should help players learn the basics about how to deal with mechanics and how to use their healing, mitigation, and dps rotations. If you just introduce a parser (or worse, a simple dps meter) you will only help the same people that already know their stuff, as they would be the only ones that would be able to use it correctly outside of FC/LS/static groups, while at the same time giving other players a tool that, without further guidance, they will probably use wrong. Now tell me where the majority of the playerbase lies, according to your requests and the urge for a parser.

I mainly tank (well, 99% of the time, as I haven't touched my dps jobs in a while), and believe me when I tell you that I know why you say that. But I can also see that simply doing what you ask wouldn't fix almost anything, while also bringing other problems to the table. There's better solutions than asking for a dps meter.

[WinterLuna]

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

A lot of people like me are not against a parser in any way but get annoyed when people act like nobody has ever been harassed over it. Of course a parser has many benefits and of course harassment is harassment for whatever reason, but it's annoying to see some players (not referring to anyone in particular) play blind to the fact it's happened before just because they feel so strongly about having a parser implemented.

In response to the thread? Sure, add a parser, it doesn't really bother me in the slightest. (Some) of the community just needs to learn to stop being so aggressive over DPS numbers. There's a difference between saying 'hey, your DPS is a little low, you could improve by...' and swearing and trying to make someone feel useless.

[Gilraen]

If you don't want parse pls don't use it just focus to doge aoe and let boss enrage after go watch YouTube and cry because you can't beat boss !man you just talking about easy dungeon don't make me laugh. Lol

And there's the other fallacy... that there's only two kinds of players, the 'hardcore raider' and the 'scrub'. I play to the best of my ability, but that's because I'm my own worst critic. I don't just sit back and mash 1 or 2 buttons. I watch what I'm doing, I berate myself when I screw up and apologize profusely when I screw up royally or cause a wipe. Most casual players are like this. We may not make playing games into 'work' but we own our mistakes and learn from it. Don't need a parser for that. Again, just need knowledge and awareness. I mean, I don't watch any videos when trying new content but I figure it out really quickly and have yet to actually forget how any dungeon works.

[melisande]

I just can't take it anymore. A parser is not necessary to improve upon your rotation.
This is not WoW where you need to know how much uhh what did they call it? DKP or some crap?
Slowly as more people have come from other MMO's such as WoW to FFXIV this toxic mentality (that did not exist before) that parsers are necessary seems to continue to be the main point on conversation in the forums.

[Dree-Elle]

This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.

Yes, they will. But you can't guarantee said effects would be 100% positive. It's likely the sole reason one has yet to be released, like the reasoning behind no in-game VoIP. If they do, it'll probably be neutered, like a self-only dummy parser, or a full parser limited to progression raids.

Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills.

That's BS, and you know it.

Do you clear any thing 1st on all world

Do you? If not world 1st, will you settle for server 1st? Or 3rd? Or however far down the line?

with out parse you will be late in everything.

So what? "LTTP" is purely subjective. As is the definition of "fun". Why force a parser on non-raiders? You can't improve others, only yourself. So, improve your DPS. Also, several other things while you're at it.

[Archaell]

And there's the other fallacy... that there's only two kinds of players, the 'hardcore raider' and the 'scrub'. I play to the best of my ability, but that's because I'm my own worst critic. I don't just sit back and mash 1 or 2 buttons. I watch what I'm doing, I berate myself when I screw up and apologize profusely when I screw up royally or cause a wipe. Most casual players are like this. We may not make playing games into 'work' but we own our mistakes and learn from it. Don't need a parser for that. Again, just need knowledge and awareness. I mean, I don't watch any videos when trying new content but I figure it out really quickly and have yet to actually forget how any dungeon works.

If most casual players were like you described that would be great... Even these might be underperforming due to lack of awarness tho. It is hard to correct something if you do not know that it is broken.

Before FF14 I played Wildstar and as much casual as I am, it seemed that I was performing well - reading tooltips, using skills correctly etc. etc. Then in preparation of raiding, I installed parser... it turned out I was doing barely enough to meet my part of dps checks. It basicaly meant that in case my group mates done worse than I did, we were not able to clear content. To continue the story, after installing the parser my dps improved by about 50% (granted I also started to use Aura mastery, but the initial motivation sparked from parser.) After that I was not just doing my job, but I was also able to help less performing players, which meant less failures and overall faster and more happy runs.

[sirDarts]

I just can't take it anymore. A parser is not necessary to improve upon your rotation.
This is not WoW where you need to know how much uhh what did they call it? DKP or some crap?
Slowly as more people have come from other MMO's such as WoW to FFXIV this toxic mentality (that did not exist before) that parsers are necessary seems to continue to be the main point on conversation in the forums.

If you don't know that you are bad, you CAN'T get better.
And most DPS, even the "no-WM" Bards, "ice" mages, "no-botd" DRGs, etc. think they are doing good! And they can EASILY get away with it. They can just hit 1-2-3, perform under 50% of their job capabilities, and get carried through almost anything. So they think they are Hydaelyn's gift to the game, and anything anyone says that contradicts this is a troll, hater, or elitist.

Until they can see ACTUAL proof that they are WAY under others will they (maybe) look into improving...