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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    It's funny how there is always this small group of players who seem to witness someone using parser and abusing others because of low numbers everywhere no matter the content.
    You may find it funny but I don't. Not in the slightest. I've had it happen to me in Fractal and, depressingly, after berating us over a couple wipes at the last boss the parser user left (it was the tank), we got a random replacement and finished the boss off like there were no problems at all. Yes, people will be jerks, this is a given. That fire's been burning since the world's been turning. An official parser, though, would be lighter fluid to that fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    finished the boss off like there were no problems at all.
    Could you tell me what was causing the wipes in your example? I have to wonder how could the new tank make such a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    Could you tell me what was causing the wipes in your example? I have to wonder how could the new tank make such a difference.
    Hell if I knew. The parser user kept going on about their DPS being on top and how could everyone else be sucking so much... After the third wipe I was about to tell them that if they swung their numbers around one more time I'm reporting them but they left before I'd even typed two words. It was really a stroke of luck we even got another tank, late in a dungeon it's often impossible to get replacements. I'm just glad I've yet to run into anyone like that since, noone deserves to be talked down to like that. Especially not by someone who apparently couldn't do their own role effectively.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    " My title is parse for ps4 user "pc user have it already and use it since 1.0 with a lot of options just need parse same as pc .
    I'm not on a PC, either. This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.
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    Last edited by Gilraen; 10-12-2015 at 11:40 PM.

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    I'm not on a PC, either. This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.[/QUOTE]

    Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills. Do you clear any thing 1st on all world if no don't talk about some thing you don't know about it if yes you 100% useing parse that's mean with out parse you will be late in everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills.
    This is the biggest fallacy about parsing. All parsing is is a measurement of arbitrary numbers. As has been said, repeatedly, parsers don't get the big picture. Don't see the fight as it's happening, it just tallies the numbers and spits out an average. It takes knowledge and awareness to get the full picture. A Monk who's having to constantly dodge aoe is going to have terrible numbers, a Bard that's singing is going to have terrible numbers. You can't just rely on one metric in a game that has many mechanics that can't be ignored. That said, I'm not going to say parsers can't be useful, but only so long as they are kept private and optional. I'm not patient enough to weather more people like that tank in Fractal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    This is the biggest fallacy about parsing. All parsing is is a measurement of arbitrary numbers. As has been said, repeatedly, parsers don't get the big picture. Don't see the fight as it's happening, it just tallies the numbers and spits out an average. It takes knowledge and awareness to get the full picture. A Monk who's having to constantly dodge aoe is going to have terrible numbers, a Bard that's singing is going to have terrible numbers. You can't just rely on one metric in a game that has many mechanics that can't be ignored. That said, I'm not going to say parsers can't be useful, but only so long as they are kept private and optional. I'm not patient enough to weather more people like that tank in Fractal.
    If you don't want parse pls don't use it just focus to doge aoe and let boss enrage after go watch YouTube and cry because you can't beat boss !man you just talking about easy dungeon don't make me laugh. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    If you don't want parse pls don't use it just focus to doge aoe and let boss enrage after go watch YouTube and cry because you can't beat boss !man you just talking about easy dungeon don't make me laugh. Lol
    And there's the other fallacy... that there's only two kinds of players, the 'hardcore raider' and the 'scrub'. I play to the best of my ability, but that's because I'm my own worst critic. I don't just sit back and mash 1 or 2 buttons. I watch what I'm doing, I berate myself when I screw up and apologize profusely when I screw up royally or cause a wipe. Most casual players are like this. We may not make playing games into 'work' but we own our mistakes and learn from it. Don't need a parser for that. Again, just need knowledge and awareness. I mean, I don't watch any videos when trying new content but I figure it out really quickly and have yet to actually forget how any dungeon works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    This is the biggest fallacy about parsing. All parsing is is a measurement of arbitrary numbers. As has been said, repeatedly, parsers don't get the big picture. Don't see the fight as it's happening, it just tallies the numbers and spits out an average.
    Actually Parsers do give the big picture and gives a huge insight of information other the just DPS numbers, what you wrote has been one of the biggest tripe from anti parser crowd and has been proven wrong time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

    Parsers give events and the time such events occurs, it gives how many times a skill was used, how much damage was absorbed and by what skill did that, it gives a huge amount of information including when people did such skills, please stop making up lies.
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    Last edited by raelgun; 10-13-2015 at 02:57 AM. Reason: grammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.
    Yes, they will. But you can't guarantee said effects would be 100% positive. It's likely the sole reason one has yet to be released, like the reasoning behind no in-game VoIP. If they do, it'll probably be neutered, like a self-only dummy parser, or a full parser limited to progression raids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills.
    That's BS, and you know it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    Do you clear any thing 1st on all world
    Do you? If not world 1st, will you settle for server 1st? Or 3rd? Or however far down the line?
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    with out parse you will be late in everything.
    So what? "LTTP" is purely subjective. As is the definition of "fun". Why force a parser on non-raiders? You can't improve others, only yourself. So, improve your DPS. Also, several other things while you're at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    You may find it funny but I don't. Not in the slightest. I've had it happen to me in Fractal and, depressingly, after berating us over a couple wipes at the last boss the parser user left (it was the tank), we got a random replacement and finished the boss off like there were no problems at all. Yes, people will be jerks, this is a given. That fire's been burning since the world's been turning. An official parser, though, would be lighter fluid to that fire.
    " My title is parse for ps4 user "pc user have it already and use it since 1.0 with a lot of options just need parse same as pc .
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