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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentheusDreyar View Post
    Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.
    But they don't see it as harrasment when a DPS is vastly underperforming which leads to content not being cleared.

    Yet they will probably be the first to complain if they keep dieing due to no heals, or wiping because the tank cannot be bothered to hold enmity on mobs.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    But they don't see it as harrasment when a DPS is vastly underperforming which leads to content not being cleared.
    Because their dps is good, they want to believe their dps is good, yet they fear the truth.

    When you have several DDs in the group it is easy to think "the game says I am the best being in whole Eorzea" so clearly the other DDs must do their job poorly...

    Of course the first approach to wipes is to ignore everything and go with basics: "We are dead. Who is responsible for keeping us alive? The healer! It is healer's fault!" *Vote kick commenced*
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    Last edited by Archaell; 10-12-2015 at 09:29 PM. Reason: typo

  3. #83
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    A parser for PS4 would be nice, though at this point it's just a convenience thing. If I need to know my DPS I just ask my party and that only happens in raids. Don't really need to know who's parsing what in a dungeon, it's fairly easy to tell who's not pulling their weight (especially from my perspective as a tank). That said, I think the dummy parsing feature is a step in the right direction... a baby step, but a step nonetheless.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yshnal View Post
    They just see dps numbers and don't take into account AoE damage, mobility, mechanics, etc. Sometimes you might not be doing proper dps because you had to do something else, as another player didn't do what they had to do. In that situation these players would blame you for the lack of dps instead of being aware that it wasn't actually your fault at all. That's what I mean with few people knowing how to use that tool, and you will agree that if a parser is so much needed because there's so many people that don't know how to use their job, they won't be able to use a parser properly either outside of using it to check their own raw dps. And in that case they will have enough (and it will be easier for them) with what SE is going to implement to "train" players.

    A parser won't magically make people learn how to use their job. It can even be counterproductive if they don't understand the information that they're getting from it. That's why I'm more inclined to do something like what SE is trying to do, instead of just giving a parser to everyone and hope for the best.
    Well, yes, it's a tool, and a tool is only as useful as the user makes it.

    On the other hand, most people DO NOT CARE about people underperforming as long as content is getting cleared. And I have met "Ice-Mages", Tanks that lose half mob agro every pull, healers who just cast Cure/Physick/Whatever the AST equivalent is as soon as the Tank falls under 80% and not doing anything else, etc. NOBODY cared, NOBODY complained, NOBODY said a word, NOBODY kicked anyone. UNLESS this underperforming caused a wipe. And then you DO need to know who is the reason for the fail, and you just can't tell who it is, if it is DPS.
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  5. #85
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Why is it that SE added an examine feature, which lets anyone who stands near you, or anyone just viewing your lodestone profile, look at your gear? They can track your progression, your effort and your worth.

    Imagine if players didn't have the option. You suddenly can't see why your groups aren't reaching DPS checks, no one can single out anyone, because of glamour. Just little comments between each pull like "push the dps harder guys, we can do it this time." Isn't that nice?... but you're still failing content because someone, who although is a good player, is not so good as to keep up with the 20 iLevel difference between themselves and every other party member, but thinking about it, isn't being able to see someone's gear an atrocious and overstepping violation of freedom?

    Alternatively, being able to examine someone lets you look at gear to set goals for, to see what other players of your class consider BiS or just the neat Glamour they are using; to be admired and to be shown new things, isn't this that same violation of privacy and privilege?

    People don't kick people in average content for poor dps, because of parsers, they do because they are asses. The examine feature is enough for the toxic players to decide your worth.

    In raid content, it's the same except others can't really bully through it to help carry the extra weight from the dps gaps and the party will just collapse.

    I would love a parser to help me track improvement, figure out where my dps wanes and therefore where to improve.

    I know this won't change the mind of anyone who is against parsers, but my message is just a reiteration of: Parsers and Examine Character are tools and toxic players will always need the special snowflake attention from harassment, tools just make it easier to justify it to themselves.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 10-12-2015 at 09:39 PM.

  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    It's funny how there is always this small group of players who seem to witness someone using parser and abusing others because of low numbers everywhere no matter the content.
    You may find it funny but I don't. Not in the slightest. I've had it happen to me in Fractal and, depressingly, after berating us over a couple wipes at the last boss the parser user left (it was the tank), we got a random replacement and finished the boss off like there were no problems at all. Yes, people will be jerks, this is a given. That fire's been burning since the world's been turning. An official parser, though, would be lighter fluid to that fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    finished the boss off like there were no problems at all.
    Could you tell me what was causing the wipes in your example? I have to wonder how could the new tank make such a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    You may find it funny but I don't. Not in the slightest. I've had it happen to me in Fractal and, depressingly, after berating us over a couple wipes at the last boss the parser user left (it was the tank), we got a random replacement and finished the boss off like there were no problems at all. Yes, people will be jerks, this is a given. That fire's been burning since the world's been turning. An official parser, though, would be lighter fluid to that fire.
    " My title is parse for ps4 user "pc user have it already and use it since 1.0 with a lot of options just need parse same as pc .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    Could you tell me what was causing the wipes in your example? I have to wonder how could the new tank make such a difference.
    Hell if I knew. The parser user kept going on about their DPS being on top and how could everyone else be sucking so much... After the third wipe I was about to tell them that if they swung their numbers around one more time I'm reporting them but they left before I'd even typed two words. It was really a stroke of luck we even got another tank, late in a dungeon it's often impossible to get replacements. I'm just glad I've yet to run into anyone like that since, noone deserves to be talked down to like that. Especially not by someone who apparently couldn't do their own role effectively.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    " My title is parse for ps4 user "pc user have it already and use it since 1.0 with a lot of options just need parse same as pc .
    I'm not on a PC, either. This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.
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    Last edited by Gilraen; 10-12-2015 at 11:40 PM.

  10. #90
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    I'm not on a PC, either. This game doesn't segregate by console, the effects of an official parser would be far and wide.[/QUOTE]

    Without parse you can't improve your dps and skills. Do you clear any thing 1st on all world if no don't talk about some thing you don't know about it if yes you 100% useing parse that's mean with out parse you will be late in everything.
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