I think we can all now agree to disagree and let this tangent of a thread lie, Chif has gotten himself banned thanks to that link he posted. I tried to warn him... I think we all tried to talk sense into him, but he didn't want to listen to anyone but the sound of his own 'awesome'. This 'debate' will keep 'raging' for pages on end so now that the instigator is taking a mandatory break from the forums how about we bow out of this discussion as well.