parse for ps4 users !

[Archaell]

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I know there are too many pages to read and it is easier to expect them to be a "troll post" rather than reading them, but welcome to the discussion.

We usually like to repeat our points many times anyways, so you will soon catch up.

[Jynx]

The real arguement has never been if they are required. I'm assuming you realise that.

Saying that they are not required is not an argument against them.

It was never meant to be an argument for or against parsers, I was just stating that Ercapote is incorrect in stating they are required. One could argue that WoW that has had such things as Deadly Boss Mods and more types or parses you could shake a stick at had a large community of players who could not do half their max DPS parse or not.

The positives and negatives are interesting on both sides and it's easy to fall onto one side of the fence due to personal preferences. My unabashed apathy for it either way (I don't use them but don't care much if others do) at least gives me the abillity to look from both sides of the fence. If i was to trench myself in a camp I'd probably fall into the anti-parser camp as I feel they don't bring anything positive to the community with their introduction in a general gameplay setting.

I do find it a shame there is alot of cyclical arguments about what is good and what is bad about parsers but there isn't much else to do but to hash out our opinions as best we can and let the developers make the penultimate choice at the end of the day. I will however say the lack of them "Getting around" to the API for modders speaks volumes on their true opinion on the subject. Of course they will stay mum on the subject as long as humanly possible if they ever say anything at all.

[Ercapote]

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again, I don't need running shoes, but they help on the run, specially if they are mine for me to test them at any time without me needing to borrow them from someone else...how do you think us ps4 players have been surviving so far? and if we already have the ability to go around it why don't just make that road able to everyone since we can already get what we want.... btw those math and flow charts to calculate the most efficient cycle are done with parser maybe on old games when they where not as dense and integrated as FF14 currently is, but if you honestly tell me you can now a manually parser a fight let me tell you, you are from another planet, since I doubt and confirm it's impossible to do something like that, not even with battle log since it only saves 100 lines at a time, and if you see your battle log "it kinda go really fast"

[Ercapote]

I do find it a shame there is alot of cyclical arguments about what is good and what is bad about parsers but there isn't much else to do but to hash out our opinions as best we can and let the developers make the penultimate choice at the end of the day..

but don't you see, that's what we do on the forums, that's why we try so hard to explain why we want parsers but yet we have anti-parser clustering the request from other, because of "personal experience" and you just gave a clear example of what it has been appening on this threat all along all the time... you say you will fall under the anti-parser side saying " I feel they don't bring anything positive to the community" but then don't explain how...yet clearly we are here putting up clear points of why it does....see what it's happening? one side is just denying the other without proofs and the other are defending a request with proofs...

if you don't care if we have it or not, then why choosing a side and clustering even more a request that clearly has a fine line between people who want it or not...

[Archaell]

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You kinda seem like an anti-parser.

I think it isn't possible to stay neutral for long. The second you agree with one side you get dragged to it by both camps... From my point of view I would be okay with simple indicator that would show if you are meeting the game's requirements. Would you need a parser for that? Nope. But parser does it too while providing additional data which can be used for various tasks.

We are focusing too much on the "players might use them for evil deads" (which is line of thought that sends me into parser camp ^^). Imo, I would like to see some points about how can the community judge and prevent the misuse, instead of how can be parser nerfed so that it isn't possible.

[Ercapote]

You kinda seem like an anti-parser.

I think it isn't possible to stay neutral for long. The second you agree with one side you get dragged to it by both camps... From my point of view I would be okay with simple indicator that would show if you are meeting the game's requirements. Would you need a parser for that? Nope. But parser does it too while providing additional data which can be used for various tasks.

We are focusing too much on the "players might use them for evil deads" (which is line of thought that sends me into parser camp ^^). Imo, I would like to see some points about how can the community judge and prevent the misuse, instead of how can be parser nerfed so that it isn't possible.

how to prevent someone from harass with parser...when someone is "harassing you "but actually harassing you for low dps" not like pointing out but actual harassment..

-if you are a person that see someone else being harass... then defend them depending on content if it's easy content then defend the poor guy and indicate that the agressor is a bad person and needs to chill, for a better lecture to that troll proceed to kik from pt and maintain a clean community, that troll will learn and the harassed will hopefully improve it's dps to prevent this.... #helpingthecommunity

-if you are the person being harass then slowly proceed to step 1) reach pocket 2) pull up a nice a shinny middle finger 3) slowly put it back 4) look at your parser meter and check if it can be improve 5) proceed to not be so sensitive, realize that he might be more unhappy than he could possibly make you...

and when you are out of instance or kicked then proceed to improve dps and become a better player for yourself... there...solved harassment issue, now we can have all the positive benefits of a parser on PS4

[Kotemon]

btw those math and flow charts to calculate the most efficient cycle are done with parser maybe on old games when they where not as dense and integrated as FF14 currently is"

They were for the older games before they got really dense and complex. Either way its not like PS4 users are boxed out of getting parse results if they really wanted it. Other than a hacked console anyway.

[Ercapote]

They were for the older games before they got really dense and complex. Either way its not like PS4 users are boxed out of getting parse results if they really wanted it. Other than a hacked console anyway.

ok but you missing the point, if we already can, just make it easy for us and let us have a parser on ps4....that's it. why do I want to go through the trouble of hacking my entire sistem to add a parser when they can easily implement it on the game...

[ShanaShirayuki]

Oh, by the way, the only times I have refered to a guide in anypost was replying to a parser advocate claiming that guides onleexist because of parsers. Look, if you and anyone else wants to continueto push a line that essentially says you are no good if you don't use a parser, or you can't improve without one, go right aheaf, just don't be surprised when players who don't parse get annoyed. Go ahead and use your crutch, just don't hit anyone over the head with it.

I never said to be a good player you need a parser. Honestly now, is putting words in my mouth the only rebuttal you can come up with? I even mentioned that parsing is JUST AS valuable as experience, trial and error, whatever you want to call it. How does that imply that parsing is the be-all end-all? Where did you come up with the assumption that someone is a bad player if they don't use a parser in my response?

Also, your lack of a combat class at 60 is a clear indication that you have no idea how current endgame content works. DPS checks are more heavily utilized and emphasized in endgame Heavensward content than they were in ARR. Everyone, including tanks and healers, is expected to pull their weight DPS wise. Thus your opinion carries less weight than if you were 60 since you've never experienced said content yet.

[Taika]

I wonder how many of the cases in which players have "witnessed parsers causing harassment" have actually been situations where parser hasn't even been used. Yesterday I was doing Alexander (normal) and during one disasterous floor 2 run a melee DD refused to drive the gobwalker because "he was doing 200 more DPS than the NIN". Now this situation could be read as someone who's parsing gloating their superiority. Only there wasn't really any significant difference in DPS between the two. The problem is, no one could point that out because we don't have official parsers.

I've seen similar situations before, once in Ravana (normal) when the party had trouble killing the ganas, and after two wipes one DD left shouting at other DDs how much they suck. Yeah they weren't good, but the person who left was actually the one with the lowest DPS. Similarly once in the Aery, the two DDs in the party were unable to kill the "prisons" during the last boss, even with help from the healer, and one of the DDs called the other one out for low DPS and proceeded to kick them (it succeeded even though I voted against it). Guess what, the person who did the kicking and called the other DD bad was again doing less than the person who got kicked (though neither of them were doing what they should have been). Of course we got a better second DD to replace the one who got kicked and proceeded to clear it without issues, so the remaining original DD probably thought there was nothing wrong with his performance and he had been right to kick the "bad" one.

These are just individual situations I've seen, but I'm sure they don't end here. With a parser these kind of baseless accusations can be prevented and all the discussions on group's DPS failures will be based on facts. I consider that to be the fairest situation for everyone.