parse for ps4 users !

[Kosmos992k]

I'm no 208 in Alexander savage I need to be 1st place .
http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...Paladin&page=2
with out thise numpers how can you know your rank ? Parse show it to me .

I'm sorry, but I can't not ask this. Why do you need to know your rank? Why do you need to be1st? Why does that matter so much to you? Seriously who cares? And why? It's just a number.

You're quite literally demonstrating the point many have made about parsers introducing an air of competition into what should be a cooperative environment.

[Archaell]

I'm sorry, but I can't not ask this. Why do you need to know your rank? Why do you need to be1st? Why does that matter so much to you? Seriously who cares? And why? It's just a number.

You're quite literally demonstrating the point many have made about parsers introducing an air of competition into what should be a cooperative environment.

It isn't "just a number". You are basically devaluating all the effort these players put into the game. Also he said that he needs to be 1st, so it is clearly his goal. It's same as wanting to buy a house or collect all the ponies. Would you mock the players for it? Ponies? Such waste of time - you can ride your chocobo. House? Why? You can use the inn room, you silly... Exactly the same thing. Btw. in both cases you are competing against other players for rolls or free plots.

[Kosmos992k]

It isn't "just a number". You are basically devaluating all the effort these players put into the game. Also he said that he needs to be 1st, so it is clearly his goal. It's same as wanting to buy a house or collect all the ponies. Would you mock the players for it? Ponies? Such waste of time - you can ride your chocobo. House? Why? You can use the inn room, you silly... Exactly the same thing. Btw. in both cases you are competing against other players for rolls or free plots.

But, this is a coop game, not a competition, that's why there are no leaderboards. You mention this goal of his along side things that are actually supported in the game, yet his goal is entirely of his own making, and nothing supported by the game. I'm not mocking him, so please don't put words in my mouth. You described something as a waste oftime, I did not.

As for this point, his parsed dps is just a number, and a rank in an unofficial ranking table driven by a parsed dps score generated by a third party tool that is technically prohibited by the terms and conditions of service. It just seems a very arbitrary goal to have and actually makes a point many have posted about people having more than a little interest in their numbers, and those who've pointed out that parsing will bring an air of competition to something that is about cooperation

[Archaell]

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If the game is about "cooperation". Why don't all the players get the loot instead of the highest roller? Why do things on market boards not sell for fixed amount? Why do raiding guilds hide their strategies for a while? Why do players rush through the game to be the first max level of class x? Why do players flex their gear? Why do players want to create the best glamour? ...

I guess it is not due to competition, because it is not supported by the genre.

[ShanaShirayuki]

The thing is though if you add tools to the game people will use them, it wouldn't matter if it was df, pf, raid content,non-raid content. People will use it to exclude players they find as bad in the eyes of what the tool says. It does happen already, I can't tell you how many times I have seen people kicked or belittled about how they play even when content is being cleared. Like i said before I was kicked out of neverreap though we was clearing it when i didn't put dots on 1 mob set.

Not fun, trying to share my opinion or give sound advice (which isn't bad advice as that was how this were done in early gaming) and being treated like crap over it

This argument of yours in generalizing all parser users as jackasses who will belittle and kick others needs to stop, otherwise I'll have to start doing it too to fit your generalization. You see where the problem is when you stick with a fallacy such as this?

Also, in regards to giving your opinion and being treated like crap, maybe you could try not being hypocritical? Specifically this:

I'm also tired of people with the attitude you have, that parsers are the end all be all of gaming. And what i said is the time tested way of figuring out rotations well before the internet, so you myfriend are in the wrong there. Tools are well and good, but people are so relient on them it sad. I also never once mentioned anything about individual damage of skill = top dps. How dod you even come up with that?

And this:

and cuz I'm sick of your attitude, and people with your attitude, my 27 years of playing games well before the internet, trump yous any anyone post WoW mmo experience. So please stop pulling arguments out your ass, and thinking any thing anyone says against parser being needed, is wrong.

[Kallera]

If the game is about "cooperation". Why don't all the players get the loot instead of the highest roller? Why do things on market boards not sell for fixed amount? Why do raiding guilds hide their strategies for a while? Why do players rush through the game to be the first max level of class x? Why do players flex their gear? Why do players want to create the best glamour? ...

I guess it is not due to competition, because it is not supported by the genre.

In case anyone's wondering why some folk want more solo activities, I'm sure this is among the reasons. The need to devalue others is one brought on by the players, not the game.

Btw, cooperation in quotes? Seriously? Is it this foreign thing you've never engaged in during this game? Some attribute afforded to villains and freaks?

The majority of the game is one where you work with players, not against them. That there is concern about parsers and those those that use them is partly from being forced to adopt a mindset they might not share with the game.

What you and i think of it, doesn't change the fact that some will take it upon themselves to enforce their play in parts where it isnt wanted. That goes for(and has threads in) every role.

[Sapphic]

What you and i think of it, doesn't change the fact that some will take it upon themselves to enforce their play in parts where it isnt wanted. That goes for(and has threads in) every role.

And that's any different from now how?

Whats wrong with good players wanting to play with other good players? What is wrong with not wanting to carry players through content? Who either don't know or don't care that they are performing vastly under the content (not player) requirements. What is wrong with having equal accountability among all the roles?

One question all you anti-parser people either ignore or avoid, but ultimatelly fail to answer.

Why shouldn't DPS be as accountable for their ability to perform in party compared to tanks and healers?

By refusing to reply to that question you state that you have no reply that fits your anti-parser ideals.

[Kallera]

It is not just dps that will be subject to it, this isn't just a problem just for dps, but one affecting how people treat others in content once it is implemented.

Besides, even if a parser gets brought in, players will want for more information, which means more real estate on the screen, and pc players will look to other home made solutions for it. Whether the SE devs are willing to be in an arms race with 3rd party program developers is their decision, but don't pretend this is only going to affect the lazy that want to take part in a3s when there are websites that track this information. The ability to misuse parser data is also real.

[Azazua_azura]

This argument of yours in generalizing all parser users as jackasses who will belittle and kick others needs to stop, otherwise I'll have to start doing it too to fit your generalization.

I'm not generalizing parser user as jack asses, I'm saying facts on how the community in general will act when/if a parser is official. Instead of skimming my posts read it and think about it. Also mind not quoting a post that wasn't even directed at you, but someone who was infact ticking me off.


Sirdarts (who i was refering) keeps asking if people care or not about df content. Saying midicore players are not kicked ifcontent is being completed. Which isn't true.

People do get kicked from df content if they are not performing to the the person who is kicking them standards. To some it does matter how a person is playing regardless to content being cleared.

Whem i was in neverreap we was clearing it no problem is fast, the healer kept spaming me to use dots (even though i was) and didn't put dots on 1 set of mobs i was then kicked out for it.

Another case was some bad tank was poking fun at me for being a lil sick and loopy, i was being a lil silly but healing ok. The tank started to ask personal questions on age and gender, i asked why does it matter he started to say that he though i was an asshole dude or a weird gamer chick, and was leaning on asshole dude. He caused a wipe on the second boss and booted me. And yes i told people at start i was not feeling well but will do my best if i made a mistake i apologies.'


If you actually read my posts though, not once did i say "all parser users are assholes and kick people" Only time i refer to a parser user is when they make claims that parser are needed, and there is nothing in the game that helps. Which isn't true, which lies in how the parser actually works, which reads ouch each persons battle log and presents data. We already have that in the the chat box under the battle tab. All the parser does is gather it and present it as a ratio.

They also make claims that there is no way to improve with out a parser, which again isn't true. Practicing your job/role and the content helps you improve, so is asking for tips.

And, some parser users also generalize, non-parser users as people don't want a parser out of fear they are going to be kicked, because they lazy.
Which again isn't true, people like myself are not lazy we don't want one because of the general community reaction. Once a tool is put in people will use it, and they will infact exclude new players for not parsing high. Which is the last thing we need in DF. This games community is already becoming less and less new player friendly.

Just because some raiders don't care or parse df content, doesn't mean that is how the general community is.

I've experienced this in WoW, DCUO, and Aion. Aion being the worst and I played it for 6 mths before it became f2p.

@ sapphic i think your the only sane person in this thread as you present your side nicely.

In some way i agree with you wanting to play with good players, is what we all strive for. All jobs role are infact accountable for playing well, people do kick out other they think are not performing well, heck i kick out players who are undergeared or have incorrect gear.

What players are not wanting are elitist, (people who have rediculously high expectations and not newbie friend players) and start being exclusive in duty finder. We see a little bit of that all ready with speed runs vs non speed runs, or cs watching vs skipping.

Duty finder was suppose to all inclusive, it suppose to be a tool for people who don't play long or often enouigh to do content in a preformed party. But the general community does use it to exclude people much like how party finder is suppose to work.

Id also like to say I apologise if my posts imply that I'm being generalizing players, I don't mean to. Also understand I have a wide experience in mmo community mostly due to the fact i can play them 8+ hours a day. So i see alot of the community in df, sao i see alot of this attitude in sdf on any given data center.

[Chif]

Btw good player have parse already, they are not waiting SE to addit .