parse for ps4 users !

[sirDarts]

I just can't take it anymore. A parser is not necessary to improve upon your rotation.
This is not WoW where you need to know how much uhh what did they call it? DKP or some crap?
Slowly as more people have come from other MMO's such as WoW to FFXIV this toxic mentality (that did not exist before) that parsers are necessary seems to continue to be the main point on conversation in the forums.

If you don't know that you are bad, you CAN'T get better.
And most DPS, even the "no-WM" Bards, "ice" mages, "no-botd" DRGs, etc. think they are doing good! And they can EASILY get away with it. They can just hit 1-2-3, perform under 50% of their job capabilities, and get carried through almost anything. So they think they are Hydaelyn's gift to the game, and anything anyone says that contradicts this is a troll, hater, or elitist.

Until they can see ACTUAL proof that they are WAY under others will they (maybe) look into improving...

[raelgun]

I just can't take it anymore. A parser is not necessary to improve upon your rotation.
This is not WoW where you need to know how much uhh what did they call it? DKP or some crap?
Slowly as more people have come from other MMO's such as WoW to FFXIV this toxic mentality (that did not exist before) that parsers are necessary seems to continue to be the main point on conversation in the forums.

Few things wrong with your statement, everything in this world in real life and the game funny enough can only be improved upon by a metric to go by, take sprinters, yes they can run fast but its also important to know what number to do better then, from that number they figure out how to improve it such as fitness training or diet.

To improve, the whole word requires a metric to compare against, thats how that word is defined, if you do not have a metric to go by, how can you say you improved, you need evidence of this, science lives off of this notion.

Also most of this playerbase is from FF11 and not WoW so don't blame WoW players, this is FF players as its finest and WoW has nothing to do with this and the asinine behaviour from the I do what I want crowd has always been here.

[Natashio]

Ignore me...I'm just tagging this thread cause I enjoy reading these conversations that have no end.

Though I'm going to make a prediction. The moment Naoki Yoshida drops an official parser for both PC and consoles this forum is going to get inundated with post of "IF YOU AIN'T DOING XXXX DPS for XXXX ENCOUNTER, JUST QUIT THE GAME!".

[Whiteroom]

Ignore me...I'm just tagging this thread cause I enjoy reading these conversations that have no end.

Though I'm going to make a prediction. The moment Naoki Yoshida drops an official parser for both PC and consoles this forum is going to get inundated with post of "IF YOU AIN'T DOING XXXX DPS for XXXX ENCOUNTER, JUST QUIT THE GAME!".

While I would agree that there would definitely be a rocky period upon implementation, it would smooth out. I believe it would be all the more rocky due to how long its taken. But as said many times before, it would not mean SE oks harrasment.

[Gilraen]

The biggest thing I take from the 'anti-parser' comments isn't so much 'hell no' as 'implement it intelligently, don't just drop it in'. If implemented right it won't be as readily abused by those who would abuse it.

[Misutoraru]

The biggest thing I take from the 'anti-parser' comments isn't so much 'hell no' as 'implement it intelligently, don't just drop it in'. If implemented right it won't be as readily abused by those who would abuse it.

there are ppl completely against it
but there are ppl like me, not against it if it implement the right way
i think we (who involve in this thread) have to stop trying to persuade the other side
but work together to find the best solution of implementation that would suit the need of both side

[whiskeybravo]

If they were to implement in official parsing app, by what logic does it become a tool for harassment? You don't even know how it's going to be implemented.

IMO, the best way to implement it would be just personal dps. Something like a counter, similar to the gil counter, just a HUD element that can be moved around with a digital read out of dps at that moment. Additional feature would be a battle report that you can view after an instance/encounter that breaks down damage dealt, encounter time, things like crit rate or skill usage would be cool, relevant information that competes with 3rd party apps.

To minimize harassment there are 2 things: the only thing visible while in the encounter is your own dps meter. The battle report after the instance could be limited to your own damage, or it could show the groups numbers with names erased and only showing the role. That way it would be more difficult to harass someone after the fact (though, there is still the chat log and stuff that might show peoples name afterwards).

They only really need to develop something for ps4. It wouldn't be that advantageous to develop a PC app. For one, PC apps are free. SE would have to do everything the free apps can do, and hopefully a bit more, to get users to stop using 3rd party apps and use the official one. For PS4 there is no competition. They can sell us something (and I'd be willing to pay $15-20) that only gives the most basic of information. We need to give them some idea of how much could be earned vs the cost of design/implementation. If we could get enough ps4 users from enough servers to say, "vote on this link if you'd pay $10-20 for an official ps4 damage app", then we can help SE can weigh development cost vs ROI and maybe they can get something moving on it.

[MentheusDreyar]

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Except that doesn't really solve anything in context to group performance, especially PUGs. Unless i'm in a full party of people i know and trust a personal parser is practically useless in group content.

No one is going to be truthful about their numbers out of fear of being kicked/harassed. In the end it needs to be a full parser and not a half-assed attempt at a DPS meter otherwise the feedback is very situational and people will continue to use a 3rd party alternative to find out the real problem.

By all means they can implement their instanced personal parser for rotation testing, etc. but it will be useless for any actual group content because nothing is out in the open, we can't see the changes in peoples DPS/heals in real time as the situation changes, we can't judge what's causing the issue. We'll have virtually the same information we have now, which is next to nothing and that "something" is wrong.

[whiskeybravo]

Except that doesn't really solve anything in context to group performance, especially PUGs. Unless i'm in a full party of people i know and trust a personal parser is practically useless in group content.

No one is going to be truthful about their numbers out of fear of being kicked/harassed. In the end it needs to be a full parser and not a half-assed attempt at a DPS meter otherwise the feedback is very situational and people will continue to use a 3rd party alternative to find out the real problem.

By all means they can implement their instanced personal parser for rotation testing, etc. but it will be useless for any actual group content because nothing is out in the open, we can't see the changes in peoples DPS/heals in real time as the situation changes, we can't judge what's causing the issue. We'll have virtually the same information we have now, which is next to nothing and that "something" is wrong.

I'm sure there are a few, but chances are slim you'd find a full 8/8 ps4 static. Even then, what else are they going to be able use? Nothing..

As for harassment, you kind of sound like the government. "No one is going to tell us what their conversations are so we need to tap everyones phone and listen illegally" Lol. Parse police

I just threw out some ideas, doesn't mean it's the complete picture. A little imagination is necessary to find something that would work well and provide enough information to act on one way or the other, while respecting whatever hardware limitations are present with the console. I specifically mentioned it shouldn't try to replace existing 3rd party apps for PC. But right now there is nothing on ps4, so just about anything would be an improvement.

And just as an aside. ACT hasn't told our group one thing about why we are wiping in A3S, it can't correct human errors :P

[MentheusDreyar]

I'm sure there are a few, but chances are slim you'd find a full 8/8 ps4 static. Even then, what else are they going to be able use? Nothing..

As for harassment, you kind of sound like the government. "No one is going to tell us what their conversations are so we need to tap everyones phone and listen illegally" Lol. Parse police

I just threw out some ideas, doesn't mean it's the complete picture. A little imagination is necessary to find something that would work well and provide enough information to act on one way or the other, while respecting whatever hardware limitations are present with the console. I specifically mentioned it shouldn't try to replace existing 3rd party apps for PC. But right now there is nothing on ps4, so just about anything would be an improvement.

And just as an aside. ACT hasn't told our group one thing about why we are wiping in A3S, it can't correct human errors :P

My static is 6/8 PS4 players and they rely on me for our parsing, if i wasn't in there they'd have no feedback whatsoever, which is why we need a parser of some form at least, i agree on that. But a straight up DPS meter only tells you one thing, it won't tell you healPS, outgoing heals, incoming damage, etc. All necessary when you're trying to be as efficient as possible.

Haha i wouldn't take it that far but there's no way i'd believe possible falsified data by players unwilling to share in the first place, especially when they are wasting 3+ other peoples time. The average person would to anything do protect themselves, and it only gets worse online

But that's the problem, we need more than just DPS data, healer's could be under healing and causing wipes, with a full parser we'd be able to see how much damage is going out and when so healer's can prepare for it, we can see where DPS will fall because we have to deal with adds and mechanics and how we can reduce that DPS loss. None of this you'll get from a personal dps meter, and random PUGs probably won't believe a single player's data if they are the only one parsing.

And of course a tool can't predict and tell you human errors, it does have it's limitations like everything, but it'll get you 90% of the way there easily. The rest comes down to skill, luck and RNG

I guess my point is... If it's at all technically possible to have a full parser in-game we absolutely need that. If it's too much for consoles to handle or server limitation's prevents that much info being shared then just a DPS meter will suffice for general content, but it needs to be shared to everyone in the party. Otherwise there is no point in bothering at all and nothing will ever change and bad players will continue to be kicked because we can't legally help them without risking a ban ourselves and it's not like DPS are precious for anything. Hidden numbers causes player ignorance and laziness in the end.