parse for ps4 users !

[sirDarts]

I'll quote myself, as it seems that some people think about parsers in a void, thus only seeing their benefits:


You just need to see the behavior of these players here and in every other MMO that has allowed or implemented open parsers (or here, even with the "don't talk about it" policy). It's not just a small number of people noticing this, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in every MMO out there.

I still don't understand that "argument" of yours. What do you mean by people not knowing how to use and read a parser?

[Yshnal]

I still don't understand that "argument" of yours. What do you mean by people not knowing how to use and read a parser?

They just see dps numbers and don't take into account AoE damage, mobility, mechanics, etc. Sometimes you might not be doing proper dps because you had to do something else, as another player didn't do what they had to do. In that situation these players would blame you for the lack of dps instead of being aware that it wasn't actually your fault at all. That's what I mean with few people knowing how to use that tool, and you will agree that if a parser is so much needed because there's so many people that don't know how to use their job, they won't be able to use a parser properly either outside of using it to check their own raw dps. And in that case they will have enough (and it will be easier for them) with what SE is going to implement to "train" players.

A parser won't magically make people learn how to use their job. It can even be counterproductive if they don't understand the information that they're getting from it. That's why I'm more inclined to do something like what SE is trying to do, instead of just giving a parser to everyone and hope for the best.

[sirDarts]

They just see dps numbers and don't take into account AoE damage, mobility, mechanics, etc. Sometimes you might not be doing proper dps because you had to do something else, as another player didn't do what they had to do. In that situation these players would blame you for the lack of dps instead of being aware that it wasn't actually your fault at all. That's what I mean with few people knowing how to use that tool, and you will agree that if a parser is so much needed because there's so many people that don't know how to use their job, they won't be able to use a parser properly either outside of using it to check their own raw dps. And in that case they will have enough (and it will be easier for them) with what SE is going to implement to "train" players.

A parser won't magically make people learn how to use their job. It can even be counterproductive if they don't understand the information that they're getting from it. That's why I'm more inclined to do something like what SE is trying to do, instead of just giving a parser to everyone and hope for the best.

Well, yes, it's a tool, and a tool is only as useful as the user makes it.

On the other hand, most people DO NOT CARE about people underperforming as long as content is getting cleared. And I have met "Ice-Mages", Tanks that lose half mob agro every pull, healers who just cast Cure/Physick/Whatever the AST equivalent is as soon as the Tank falls under 80% and not doing anything else, etc. NOBODY cared, NOBODY complained, NOBODY said a word, NOBODY kicked anyone. UNLESS this underperforming caused a wipe. And then you DO need to know who is the reason for the fail, and you just can't tell who it is, if it is DPS.

[Sapphic]

I'll quote myself, as it seems that some people think about parsers in a void, thus only seeing their benefits:


You just need to see the behavior of these players here and in every other MMO that has allowed or implemented open parsers (or here, even with the "don't talk about it" policy). It's not just a small number of people noticing this, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in every MMO out there.

Yet it is just the same, small number of players who are vehemently against parsers. Maybe those getting called out when parsers are used should look at themselves instead of the tool.

Use you anecdotal evidence to answer this if you can, Why is it ok for a DPS to underperform and not be held acountable whereas a tank underperforming or a healer underperforming is? By refusing to answer it makes your points moot.

It is easy to spot a Tank or healer that is underperforming to the standard required to clear content. How do you know then if required DPS is 1000 per DPS and one is pulling 1000 DPS and the second is pulling 900? All situations lead to not completing the content. Or one DPS is pushing 1000 and the other is pushing 300 but believes vehemently that they are doing good?

[MentheusDreyar]

Yet it is just the same, small number of players who are vehemently against parsers. Maybe those getting called out when parsers are used should look at themselves instead of the tool.

Use you anecdotal evidence to answer this if you can, Why is it ok for a DPS to underperform and not be held acountable whereas a tank underperforming or a healer underperforming is? By refusing to answer it makes your points moot.

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

[Sapphic]

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

But they don't see it as harrasment when a DPS is vastly underperforming which leads to content not being cleared.

Yet they will probably be the first to complain if they keep dieing due to no heals, or wiping because the tank cannot be bothered to hold enmity on mobs.

[Archaell]

But they don't see it as harrasment when a DPS is vastly underperforming which leads to content not being cleared.

Because their dps is good, they want to believe their dps is good, yet they fear the truth.

When you have several DDs in the group it is easy to think "the game says I am the best being in whole Eorzea" so clearly the other DDs must do their job poorly...

Of course the first approach to wipes is to ignore everything and go with basics: "We are dead. Who is responsible for keeping us alive? The healer! It is healer's fault!" *Vote kick commenced*

[WinterLuna]

Time for the daily "Because harassment" comeback they can't answer it because there have no legitimate answer to it.

A lot of people like me are not against a parser in any way but get annoyed when people act like nobody has ever been harassed over it. Of course a parser has many benefits and of course harassment is harassment for whatever reason, but it's annoying to see some players (not referring to anyone in particular) play blind to the fact it's happened before just because they feel so strongly about having a parser implemented.

In response to the thread? Sure, add a parser, it doesn't really bother me in the slightest. (Some) of the community just needs to learn to stop being so aggressive over DPS numbers. There's a difference between saying 'hey, your DPS is a little low, you could improve by...' and swearing and trying to make someone feel useless.

[MentheusDreyar]

A lot of people like me are not against a parser in any way but get annoyed when people act like nobody has ever been harassed over it. Of course a parser has many benefits and of course harassment is harassment for whatever reason, but it's annoying to see some players (not referring to anyone in particular) play blind to the fact it's happened before just because they feel so strongly about having a parser implemented.

In response to the thread? Sure, add a parser, it doesn't really bother me in the slightest. (Some) of the community just needs to learn to stop being so aggressive over DPS numbers. There's a difference between saying 'hey, your DPS is a little low, you could improve by...' and swearing and trying to make someone feel useless.

I don't think anyone in any of the parser threads on either side are saying it never happens, it's just no where near as bad as they are making out. Either way a-hole will be a-holes with or without a parser, but the anti-parser crowd are using these minority to prevent the implementation of an incredibly useful that could help many of the players potentially improve without having to rely on other people or 3rd party software.

The fact is we can't even give real advice due to the fact we'd have to reveal we are using a parser and therefore risk getting banned trying to help. Which just leads to us kicking those that are messing up and coming off as "elitist" and "jerks".

Harassment is going to happen with or without parsers. Do you know what a no parser environment reinforces though? Pointing fingers without having a clue whose's fault it is. No parsers = no/less harassment? Nope. It's more often than not just as toxic if not more. In fact, with a parser people could actually defend themselves.

The no parsers environment reinforces ignorance, lazyness and makes the whole FFXIV scenario even more casual and ultimately reduces the amount of decent content because the dev's can't afford to make anything even remotely hard or "mid-core" apart from pushing it to the extremes with savage difficulty for a select few. Which is likely the reason we haven't got this content, there's no general skill level to balance it too because people either seem to suck or are good, there is hardly anyone between those two points when you compare them. Which causes everything to get nerfed to the ground.

Oh! look at that, i also found a possible solution to another community issue, lack of mid-core content!

[Yshnal]

Yet it is just the same, small number of players who are vehemently against parsers. Maybe those getting called out when parsers are used should look at themselves instead of the tool.

Use you anecdotal evidence to answer this if you can, Why is it ok for a DPS to underperform and not be held acountable whereas a tank underperforming or a healer underperforming is? By refusing to answer it makes your points moot.

Read my last post, please.