parse for ps4 users !

[XiXiQ]

I would try this test myself.

I don't think it needs testing in that manner. Do you really see that kind of aggro over dps in every second dungeon? bad dps, maybe, but not a lot of complaining or callouts or fights starting.

I can only assume those figures had the same few @sshats counted many times.

[Nosiahk]

People who disagree with parsers = Most non-raid players / sensitive
People who doesn't care = Casual raiders / RP / Social / crafters and gatherers / buy wins
People who agree and think parsers are helpful and is needed = mid-hardcore raiders

[XiXiQ]

I see no logical reason to disagree with parsers. First, they are already out there - that horse has well and truly bolted, it's not going back to the stable.
It seems far more sensible to get an even playing field between the PC users who have them, and the console users who don't. They are like every other tool you can name. They can be very helpful when used correctly, and they can lop a finger off if you use them badly. No point praising or blaming the tool in either case.

[Whiteroom]

I see no logical reason to disagree with parsers. First, they are already out there - that horse has well and truly bolted, it's not going back to the stable.
It seems far more sensible to get an even playing field between the PC users who have them, and the console users who don't. They are like every other tool you can name. They can be very helpful when used correctly, and they can lop a finger off if you use them badly. No point praising or blaming the tool in either case.

Agreed, and while you would see some a-holes harrassing people with them, it has been pointed out that many of these are already likely to be harassing, leading to not much of a gain in overall harassment. On top of that, instances of harassment like in that quoted text would fall to essentially zero.

By the way low dps was classified as 200 single target, and 300 multi target in that fellows test. Its bad that you would see that many cases of low output dps in that many runs, and those are just the ones getting loud. To put that in perspective, a ~186 DRG (180 weapon) can put out 600 DPS on a dummy, just using the three three attacks in the Thrust rotation, no buffs or anything else, just hitting three buttons.

Do I think the first month or so with them would be rocky, yes. A parser is a big thing, and I think a lot, especially on the NA servers would be in for a shock. But it would settle. I do think the impact will be worse the longer they wait though. Unless they do something like slip it in during a level cap increase.

[Sove92]

I see no logical reason to disagree with parsers. First, they are already out there - that horse has well and truly bolted, it's not going back to the stable.
It seems far more sensible to get an even playing field between the PC users who have them, and the console users who don't. They are like every other tool you can name. They can be very helpful when used correctly, and they can lop a finger off if you use them badly. No point praising or blaming the tool in either case.

Exactly this. Those PC players who want to parse are already doing so and yet they aren't causing that huge problem the naysayers are hysteric about. If an official parser would be released, it doesn't even mean SE's policy on harassment would change, they would still keep it a punishable offense to harass people for low DPS numbers.

Exclusion, what do people exactly mean with this? You are refused a static spot for low DPS numbers? Guess what, this already happens because PC. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure you don't want to have an underperforming tank or healer in the static either, so why should a DD be a special snowflake whose performance shouldn't be easily trackable, like how tank/heal performance is?

[Seoulstar]

Use it for yourself, that's fine. Use it to insult another player which I had the unfortunate luck of seeing it happen in Alex a day or so ago..then I have a problem

[sirDarts]

Use it for yourself, that's fine. Use it to insult another player which I had the unfortunate luck of seeing it happen in Alex a day or so ago..then I have a problem

Pretty much everyone has a problem with that.
Harassment is NEVER something that should be tolerated. But at the same time, blatant disregard of other people's time by completely slacking also should not be tolerated, it's already not tolerated for tanks and healers, but for some reason DPS get a free pass.

[Seoulstar]

Pretty much everyone has a problem with that.
Harassment is NEVER something that should be tolerated. But at the same time, blatant disregard of other people's time by completely slacking also should not be tolerated, it's already not tolerated for tanks and healers, but for some reason DPS get a free pass.

Here is the thing. That person who is apparently slacking may be doing something wrong. Maybe they're forgetting their dots or certain skills. It's not really a hard thing to give someone tips to better their DPS. If they don't listen, then that is their fault. But just sitting there insulting them won't help at all. It will most likely make the person do worse. I fail to understand why so many people that play this game would rather resort to just blatantly insulting instead of actually trying to help the person.

[Malevicton]

But just sitting there insulting them won't help at all.

No offense, but I feel like you should've just said this in party chat when you saw it. It's not really relevant to this discussion. No one here is saying people should go around insulting people.