parse for ps4 users !

[Azazua_azura]

@ whiteroom

that just....... dumb....... It doesn't take a lvl 60 or alex savage to understand what is being said. Your taking a character for face value, and pretty muich stating no one with those requirements can make an opinion about the suggestion of something added that effects EVERYONE

and it scientifically not an assumption that the negatives out waight the positives. Just look at gaming, history, and human nature.

Male gamers in the pro leagues have infact excluded females stated they suck at games. (there has been a study on this google it)

Humans always find ways to exclude themselves to be better then someone else, from slavery to poverty, to skin color. (history google it)

It also happens in everygame parser are ok'ed people exclude others if given the tools to, people already exclude others for being new by either leaving or kicking them, there is no assumption that people will exclude others. People would do it now if parser were not against the ToS

[Whiteroom]

@ whiteroom

that just....... dumb....... It doesn't take a lvl 60 or alex savage to understand what is being said. Your taking a character for face value, and pretty muich stating no one with those requirements can make an opinion about the suggestion of something added that effects EVERYONE

and it scientifically not an assumption that the negatives out waight the positives. Just look at gaming, history, and human nature.

Thank you.

Tbh, it does lend a little bit of credibility. It shows that you actually play all of the content, and therfore can understand better what people are saying when the referance certian content to make a point. It also shows that you have put in at least bit of time to your classes and should have a better understanding of how each role opperates in each bit of content. It would probably take less time and effort to take a clss from 50-60, than she has put into this thread is a bit telling. Now obviously we don't know how hard she played the game prior to HW, but it is a little extreme to not have one of the jobs fully leveled by now. So well it is not the be all and end all of credibility. It can be a bit telling.

Now read what I said, and read what you said. Then do that again. Do you see some inconsistancies with your response? It reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon someone on these forums has as their sig. I'm gonna go see if I can find it.
Found it: http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07
Also, care to qualify that last part of your post I left in?

Also, who are the "THEY" who say you need a parser to play the game? Could you provide quotes please? I figure Chif has probably said it, but I haven't bothered with many of his posts. As far as I have seen, people are saying it would greatly improve troubleshooting, rotation testing, self improvement, and sorting out trolls, amongst other things.

You seem to be applying what you want people to be saying over what they actually are, and then arguing against that.


And a final, you seem to keep bringing up that people can easily do everything, or at least most things a parser can do, with the battle log. From that viewpoint you could say the game already has a very clumsy one, so why are you against a refined one, that allows everyone to use it, and is far less clumsy and easier to read?

[Archaell]

I agree that parser is going to affect all players no matter their level, so everyone sould be free to express their opinion and eat the flames for it.

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Okay for now I am going to pretend that all your worst parser horror stories are going to happen. Do I think negatives outweigh positives in such a scenario?

... Nope.

If somebody is being harassed or excluded due to their performance I as a player am able to fix it.

If somebody is not playing properly no matter the reason - I as a player can't fix it for the lack of tools. There are exceptions like spotting out half-afking monk, but in most cases you can't tell which dps is causing fails or more work for the healer.

tl;dr I wouldn't say negatives outweigh positives.

[Gilraen]

Chif... you will want to remove that link before a moderator notices it. So far this thread hasn't needed moderation as noone's been hostile, but that link is promoting third party software which will get this thread locked if not you temporarily banned. As many keep saying, you're not helping your case... with any of your posts. And this latest post is practically you shooting yourself in the foot.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

well on a side note parsing is reason I don't bard duty's no more and instead I learned to master another class that for me feels easier and that is a monk btw and yes I also have a drg and can play that but the style is far to straight forward for my liking and a bard is all about cat reflexes sitting caster mode and hitting all procs while monk is simple really start hitting rear 4 hits go side 3 hits use all gcds in between well in style 1 cd then 1 gcd then another cd the usual.

So the result a dummy parser should be implemented cause not all people are going to do well at one class and its important with all dps checks to know what your most suited optimal class is.

Everyone is different but dps checks mean same for all so we need to be able to pick our best class without the need of 3rd party parsing and harassment in duty's.

I 100% agree all striking dummy's should come with a dps meter cause then there would be no reason if you pick your optimal class that can hit recorded average dps + to use a 3rd party parser in duty and be a prick about peoples dps.

Main issue is the fact there are so many dps checks end game.

[Kotemon]

Judging by the topic and pages..., well I'll bite anyway. Old topic been answered and been done. People already parse on PC and if you're on a PS4, they can give you a parse reading (I think). Just find someone to group up with and ask them to give you a reading and rotation advise if you're that determined. I'm sure there are large FC's out there have folks that will give parse data off the dummies, around the world. For the folks they'd know or trust by my assumption. The alternative is to get good at several rotations and keep precise track of all your timers. I'm almost certain before parse data folks used math and flow charts to calculate the most efficient cycle based on stat modifiers, items, gear and timers. Parse programs likely came about to make the number crunching more accurate and easier to do.

Although I'd be careful with this whole thread in general. It might give spam-bots a new ad idea, and then there is the in-fighting among players it'll cause.

[Archaell]

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I know there are too many pages to read and it is easier to expect them to be a "troll post" rather than reading them, but welcome to the discussion.

We usually like to repeat our points many times anyways, so you will soon catch up.

[Ercapote]

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again, I don't need running shoes, but they help on the run, specially if they are mine for me to test them at any time without me needing to borrow them from someone else...how do you think us ps4 players have been surviving so far? and if we already have the ability to go around it why don't just make that road able to everyone since we can already get what we want.... btw those math and flow charts to calculate the most efficient cycle are done with parser maybe on old games when they where not as dense and integrated as FF14 currently is, but if you honestly tell me you can now a manually parser a fight let me tell you, you are from another planet, since I doubt and confirm it's impossible to do something like that, not even with battle log since it only saves 100 lines at a time, and if you see your battle log "it kinda go really fast"

[Kotemon]

btw those math and flow charts to calculate the most efficient cycle are done with parser maybe on old games when they where not as dense and integrated as FF14 currently is"

They were for the older games before they got really dense and complex. Either way its not like PS4 users are boxed out of getting parse results if they really wanted it. Other than a hacked console anyway.

[Ercapote]

They were for the older games before they got really dense and complex. Either way its not like PS4 users are boxed out of getting parse results if they really wanted it. Other than a hacked console anyway.

ok but you missing the point, if we already can, just make it easy for us and let us have a parser on ps4....that's it. why do I want to go through the trouble of hacking my entire sistem to add a parser when they can easily implement it on the game...