parse for ps4 users !

[Whiteroom]

@ whiteroom

sirdarts chif drayer i can't spell everyones name. Anc acts like it a bit. Pretty much every pro parser person who replied to me since i said VERY NICELY parser are not needed. I was picked apart, and called a troll. Even thought what I said was the truth, they just don't wanna see it as such. Or rather don't believe it.

You also can't rebuff what you stated, thats contradicting yourself.

this has been what has been (paraphrased)

1) parsers are needed for dps checks
2) anyone against parsers are scared their low dps will be kicked. (stated as all people who don't parse suck)
3) parser figure everything out from rotations to stat waights.
4) parser are needed to improve.
5) anyone against parser is a fear mongering troll
6) parser are not against the ToS


those are stated as facts time and time again. Thing is they are not facts at all, just assumptions/conjecture.

What is fact is human nature, people will set rediculous standards based on personal performance, and exclude anyone who can't reach it, this has been going on fir Eons. Given the tools and ideals people will exclude others. I don't care if people do it in pf. I don't want to see it in DF, and if a parser is put ingame all content will be subjected to it.

And people undermind the reality of that down playing it for their cause (again human nature) or going as far as to say, who cares if people are excluded it forces them to be better.

Thing is you can't force a person to learn, nor should you force your ideals/mindset/playstyle them.

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?

Did you really just do this? I ask you to provide quotes where people have made these claims, that you have been claiming they are making all along, and you just restate your false claims!?

Think about that, just think about. You are in fact, putting words in peoples mouths, and then arguing those points. The only one that has come close to being stated is the TOS one (aside from what chif has said, but really, has anyone taken him seriously in this discussion?). Which really has no bearing on parsers being a positive or negative btw.

Directly quote where this has been said or stop claiming it. You are making false statements otherwise. Thats why people have called you a troll. You are making wild claims that your assumptions are scientific fact, thats why you have been called a Fearmonger. And that you have been "NICELY" stating things?!? For real? Didn't you tell someone to:

GROW THE F UP

On top of that you have used your claim that your "27 years of gaming" gives you more insight into them then us lowly plebs, despite not knowing anything about our gaming history, while stating that others don't even need a fully leveled character to have a correct opinion. ( Of course, that only seems to matter when their opinion is the same as yours.)

[Sapphic]

I have autism, it effects my coordination, should I be excluded for something i can't control? Should i be treated poorly over something arbitrary?

I'm not lazy, and do everythinbg i can to improve. I'm not good at reading numarical data outside %'s geomarty and trig, so i should be penilized?

If content is being cleared, no one really cares unless you are doing a quarter or even a 5th of your expected DPS. But in content that requires a minumum amount of contribution and you are physically unable to meet that requirement, then unfortunatelly you cannot expect random players to make it up, especially if it is preventing the rest of the party from being able to clear content. If everyone is awars initially and fine with it then thats different. If I'm doing 1300 DPS and you are doing 700, it wouldn't matter if content is being cleared. If I'm doing 1300 DPS and your doing 200 and content is unable to be cleared, then you are preventing 3 or 7 other people from enjoying the game how they want to by clearing content. Is that fair?

Theres a video taken from an infamously more toxic community then FFXIV on youtube that proves a point in regards to people caring if content is still getting cleared with having someone making nigh on zero contribution to the success of the endeavour. I'm taking about WoW. Aka, no one does.

Theres no solid, facual, indisputable evidence saying the community toxicity will increase or decrease or even stay the same. All we can do is predict (which is far from an accurate science) based on personal experience.

But what we should not do is exagerate to prove a point, or devalue "evidence" that is garnered the same way as what you have stated to, yet again, try and give your opinion higher credence.

Just remember though, we already have parsers in game.

I suggested opt-in parsing where parsing is available in-game,

I have no issues with that whatsover. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out if the required content DPS is 1000 one person is doing 1100, the other DPS opted out and the DPS check is not getting met to figure out where the weakest link is. Plus it would still give the other DPS an average result of what they should be aiming for. If it was set to private or public they would be able to still compare (the person using it private). To see if they are close to or nowhere close.

[Kosmos992k]

I have no issues with that whatsover. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out if the required content DPS is 1000 one person is doing 1100, the other DPS opted out and the DPS check is not getting met to figure out where the weakest link is. Plus it would still give the other DPS an average result of what they should be aiming for. If it was set to private or public they would be able to still compare (the person using it private). To see if they are close to or nowhere close.

Indeed, and if done this way, it would be a sanctioned parser that might get DoT correct too. But by giving players an option, people can choose to enable when working on a dps check, or new class if they so desire, or disable whenever they don't want or need the numbers. But it doesn't prevent anyone who wants to parse their performance from doing so. The idea was to put the option in each players hands. I think this would be more useful than a simple training dummy parser.

[Ercapote]

Indeed, and if done this way, it would be a sanctioned parser that might get DoT correct too. But by giving players an option, people can choose to enable when working on a dps check, or new class if they so desire, or disable whenever they don't want or need the numbers. But it doesn't prevent anyone who wants to parse their performance from doing so. The idea was to put the option in each players hands. I think this would be more useful than a simple training dummy parser.

and with that I could not agree more... this is all we need and also for ps4.

[Jim_Berry]

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

[Odett]

DC Universe has an in-game scoreboard. It's not a parser, per se, but it shows damage and stuff:

the problem lies when a fight isn't being completed due to lack of DPS. A scoreboard at the end of a fight is just a nice "by the way" thing, but it would do nothing to fix issues where a fight isn't being completed in the first place.

[Odett]

You can pull the scoreboard up at any time, not just after everything is done.

ah, excuse my ignorance then

[Jim_Berry]

ah, excuse my ignorance then

lol... I hoped no one replied. I was slow to delete my comment.

[Azazua_azura]

you guys ignore the answers simple as that.

You pass off pro parser stuff as fact when it isn't, its all assumption and conjecture.

I don't want a parser cuz i don't want DF to be excluded even more then it is now, And its people like sirdarts who i rather not see (look at the thread over a suggestion to add more party finder tools alot of their replies have been add a parser and excluding players) with a parse in their hands. Its basic human nature and should be understood that given the tools people will exclude othes.


And please....... stop using level and endgame as part of credibility. thats just stupid.

not everyone uses their main characters to post on the forums.

And the parser just present data already avalible ina game as a ratio. You can read individual hits to see who low. because a ratio is just the sum of the calculation over the progress of time. (aka damage per second) You guys act so smart and good, but you need a tool to factor in a ratio of already presented data.

I don't read numbers well due to my disability so i have mine turned off, but there is no real excuise why a bunch of hardcore pro gamers can't do on the fly ratio calculatuions with battle log text. Ratio are not hard to figure out, and this is from someone who sucks at math.

What people don't like is a set of players forcing their playstyle on others. Not everyone wants or needs a parser for all different reason, and so far when we say our side we are insulted, going as far as being called a troll. Or saying we can't have an opinion if we don't have a lvl 60 or been in alex savage.

No offence but ingame group parser will effect everyone if it gets added, wouldn't matter if its raid content or not. And enough of you guys have blatently stated stuff that comes off that you want to exclude players in DF, I've been lerking on these forums since 1.0, and remember a good bit of each persons post.

To be honest, i think its a weakness to play a game with third party tools, i never take anyone who uses a third party tools as a serious gamer. Much like anyone who used a game shark and acts pro.
some people here act like their addicted to third party tools, and MUST have them to play a video game. To the point where they force it on everyone.

Sorry I don't want a tool forced on me, if that not a good enough reason for yall. Then i suggest play a pc only mmo. Cuz I'm honestly sick and tired of this mindset that you need tools to play a video game. Video games are not that hard, seems more like you guys don't wanna practice to get better you need a tool to win.

Now who is the more lazy person, a person who uses a parser to limit practicing content? Or a player who practices content and masters it.